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tell jimmy i'm sorry for his troubles

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the old timers know the old man they'll

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talk to him at some point they'll

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straighten it out for him

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yeah but he can't understand and i gotta

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be honest with you i don't understand

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either i just could help get those two

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kenzie bricks elected in the

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first place it don't make no sense to

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him that's for sure he doesn't have to

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understand everything

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you know what i'm talking about

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sometimes it's better

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when i see him like that i don't know

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you know i i'm trying to i feel bad i

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want i want to help him in some way and

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i and i

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listen he's too emotional like some guy

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who's always

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rushing rushing all over the place and

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they miss the big picture

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like cuba

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getting us back into casinos

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getting us back into havana like getting

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rid of that

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castro prick the old timer spoke

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the old man talked to his son jack and

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he knows who the he owes that's of

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an important clip

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and it's history i think a lot of people

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it's of course a fictional account but

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it's history this is what

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happened there was this guy who ran the

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teamsters union called jimmy hoffa

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powerful it ran the country ran the

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one got fed and all the rest of this

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stuff he had a lot of power

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taking care of the mob and

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scene in particular is how some people

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in the mafia felt betrayed

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jfk's father and who

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amassed all his wealth by smuggling

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pictures of that and because compromise

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is always in play is always your number

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a lot jeffrey epstein so that's why the

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to understand where i'm going and

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hammering on the romans and why we have

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ancient wisdom and their enemies

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that christianity just took over the

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history back to what really happened

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part of that and clearly the cia is part

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so many people that we'd expect to know

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that history

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podcasts hip for a long time has been

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in the world he believes lee harvey

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this is inconceivable to anyone who's

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think that we would want to apologize

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evil act it again strikes me

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like dan carlin how do you process

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that history in that way

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to come to that conclusion well i would

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as i continue to plow through this roman

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that if i do my job you will find

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roman history is almost as clear-cut

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of denying the holocaust

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just people know titus said i only made

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domitian he banished him

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it's compelling there was a lot of

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famous cave

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4 where the vast majority of the dead

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texts manuscripts and in thousands of

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for their entire lives they didn't let

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what is the copper scroll it's basically

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the list of treasure

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this is how it reads this is the first

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they don't say it but why would you put

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copper and um this will be the backup

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copy well who had the

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and that's why this patient and titus

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as you said josephus didn't get all

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the emperor okay thanks a lot cut off

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buried please don't cut off my head

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david is well he's really quite an

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that's exactly what he's done

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so it's a book that was published just

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last year so it hasn't been out that

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long

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it's great like a lot of david's books

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it's really terrifically

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illustrated you know a lot of stuff he

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talks about he's talking about the stars

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and the constellations as we know them

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and you need to see it and then you need

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to see the art associated with it the

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myths associated with it and he's done

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that

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extensive notes in this book extensive

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references in this book

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like all his books so this is uh

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something that is valuable for someone

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who's interested in

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in something beyond the story although

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the stories are all

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super great too so that's all

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uh what's coming up david

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welcome back to skeptico it's great to

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have you here

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thanks so much alex it's great to be

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here so looking forward to it

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you know uh but before we jump too far

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into the books

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i i hope you will take a minute and go

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over your background a little bit

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because i think it's it's quite unique

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and quite interesting and i think in a

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way turns out to be relevant to this

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story so the

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the brief bio thing yeah happy too sure

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well um i

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really grew up loving the stars and the

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constellations my dad used to take me

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out

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where i lived in where i grew up in

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san mateo california which is in the bay

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area and we look at the stars and we

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used

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even from really before i can remember

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you know i can't remember not having

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these books by h.a ray

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who does the outlining system h.a ray is

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famous

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we've talked about it before on this

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show he's famous for

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along with his wife margaret ray

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creating the curious george

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series of books starting in the 1940s

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he also wrote a very important book

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called the stars a new way to see them

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a new way to see them in 1952

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which turns out to be a very ancient way

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to see them not a

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you know there's a mystery there but i

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grew up

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seeing the constellations using that

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system

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and i also grew up loving the myths i

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ended up

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going to west point and i graduated high

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school in 1987

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13 days later i trotted off to the east

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coast and got my head shaved and

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started getting yelled at at the

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military academy

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and you know can i interject something

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because i never really made that

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connection

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you're in san mateo and now you're going

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to upstate new york

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did you have any idea what you were

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getting into there that kind of

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culture change that you're thrown into

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or well i had been

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back to visit so they they do

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have like visits for candidates

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uh kind of like a recruiting thing for

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football but i wasn't a football player

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and i had also spent the summer before

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that the summer

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before my senior year at harvard summer

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school so that was

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that was that was a real eye-opener to

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see the kind of the

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east coast the northeast for the first

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time i mean it is really much more

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densely populated than california is

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even the bay area

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um you know there's a lot there's

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obviously a lot of differences

377
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when i first you know flew back there

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with my dad and we were in watertown in

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the

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waitress said something about well do

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you want a quota and she was talking

382
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about a quarter i was like

383
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i can't believe it you know people

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actually do talk like this and i went to

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all the

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would take the red line to the green

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line and i went to all the red sox games

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and the bleachers that year for three

389
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bucks that was the year

390
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86 summer of 86 they went to the world

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series against the mets

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so i did have a little bit of an

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immersion in the east coast

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that summer got to see roger clemens i

395
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sat in the bleachers you know

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roger clemens in the bullpen right there

397
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we're getting off track but

398
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it's a great question it is you know i

399
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would say that

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at 17 i didn't appreciate the difference

401
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as much as i do today now i've got grown

402
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sons

403
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basketball

404
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camp in the summer around boston and i

405
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then i then i was really impressed by

406
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the difference i was like

407
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i didn't really perceive the difference

408
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as much

409
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as i do coming back

410
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i don't know if that makes any sense and

411
00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:36,480
you know one of the reasons i guess i

412
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think

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this is important to talk about is

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this is a very very big idea kind of

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book

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work

417
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is a big idea kind of stuff it's kind of

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audacious to

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even think that someone could say

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there's these ancient esoteric myths

421
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in the stars and they've basically been

422
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forgotten

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been written out of history and they're

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highly relevant

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to our world today and they've been

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relevant to

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every culture throughout time i mean who

428
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the hell

429
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:17,040
are you to say that it's just

430
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,560
it is you know just ballsy to say that

431
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so one of the things i think we're going

432
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to talk about today is

433
00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:26,240
hey why doesn't that come out through

434
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:27,839
our history because

435
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,240
as you lay out your case it's remarkable

436
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,560
but it's really solid and it is a lot of

437
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it's been there

438
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:38,959
so one of the questions is why don't we

439
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have access to it and so you know

440
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:44,639
west point you have a military

441
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background

442
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:48,480
um i i don't want to get conspiratorial

443
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:50,079
on that because i don't think your story

444
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,199
goes that way

445
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:54,000
but i think it changes your orientation

446
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:55,600
i think it changes your way

447
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,399
of viewing things the way of kind of

448
00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:00,240
take that hill mentality

449
00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:03,040
in some way that allows somebody to do

450
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:03,920
this kind of stuff

451
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:06,800
because otherwise you look at your work

452
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:07,440
and go

453
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:10,079
you know how many emails i get

454
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,800
not a lot

455
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:13,040
but email's a theory of everything guy

456
00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:14,959
hey you know i've studied this stuff

457
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,399
on my own you know in my basement i got

458
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:19,920
it all figured out

459
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,560
it's just not credible but in a way for

460
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:24,000
you to

461
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:26,959
you're transcending that but you're not

462
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,000
coming from

463
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,839
harvard you didn't you know you know

464
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,000
you're not professorship

465
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:33,759
all that stuff so i think we have to

466
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:35,360
fill that in i think that's part

467
00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:38,399
of i think that's part of your story

468
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,720
and i think it's also part of the story

469
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:42,560
that we're in right now in terms of our

470
00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:43,040
culture

471
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:44,480
and i think people are more and more

472
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,279
open to saying maybe this guy did do it

473
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:48,720
maybe this one guy

474
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:51,279
on his own did kind of crack the code on

475
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,560
this would you have any thoughts on any

476
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:53,839
of that stuff

477
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,639
wow well thanks for those kind words and

478
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:58,240
i would say it's not

479
00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:00,320
first of all it's not one guy on his own

480
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,680
because there are people

481
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,600
throughout history who have noticed

482
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,199
connections between

483
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:07,919
the myths and the stars i would say that

484
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:08,400
i got

485
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,720
obsessed with it i compare it to the

486
00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,640
movies where you get the guy out in the

487
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,160
shed with all the red string

488
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,799
you know in his backyard in the shed and

489
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,240
his wife comes out and

490
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,919
finally opens it up and says what on

491
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,600
earth is going on here you know the

492
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,799
board with all the

493
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,720
strings connecting i i kind of became

494
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:26,000
that

495
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:29,600
individual um but but

496
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:32,480
um you know it's interesting you you use

497
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,200
a metaphor of

498
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,880
kind of a take the hill mentality but i

499
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:36,880
would use actually a metaphor of

500
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:40,640
almost an outsider uh

501
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:43,440
in the sense that if you think of

502
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,400
sherlock holmes

503
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:49,440
the pattern that conan doyle came up

504
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:51,120
with in the sherlock holmes books

505
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:53,840
or even edgar allan poe who was famously

506
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:00,150
who kind of invented the modern mystery

507
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:03,760
story it's an outsider a lot of times or

508
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:06,400
an even better example is the scooby-doo

509
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:07,600
cartoons that

510
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,799
i grew up watching they come along

511
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,640
and there's some mystery that's going on

512
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:14,000
and the authorities have got

513
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:16,880
it all figured out and they are not

514
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:18,880
particularly happy when sherlock holmes

515
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:19,440
shows up

516
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:22,400
or when scooby-doo and the gang show up

517
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,600
because it is

518
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:25,280
it's an outsider who's looking at it

519
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,400
from a different perspective

520
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,400
and i would say that you know certainly

521
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:31,760
coming from california going to west

522
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,480
point you get

523
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:35,120
you know all those same kind of uh jokes

524
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:36,240
that you see in an officer and a

525
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:37,120
gentleman well

526
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,679
you're from california all they get from

527
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,520
there is fruits and nuts or you know

528
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:42,640
other things that

529
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,200
you can you can fill in the blanks um

530
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:47,280
it's kind of an outsider

531
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,720
and i did actually growing up um

532
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,640
you know i was thinking about it just

533
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,799
generally generationally i'm in the

534
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:56,480
gen x generation that's the first

535
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:58,400
generation where both parents typically

536
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:59,120
worked

537
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,799
and they were called the latchkey kids

538
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:02,240
you know i'm i

539
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:06,799
grew up you know displaced a lot so

540
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,000
moving schools a lot getting picked on

541
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:13,039
as a kind of a nerdy kid uh maybe that

542
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,840
influenced

543
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:16,160
psychologically going to west point who

544
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,120
knows but

545
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:19,520
it's almost like the outsider can see

546
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,400
things that the

547
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,679
authorities haven't seen

548
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:25,840
there are people who have been on this

549
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:28,320
trail of clues before me

550
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,360
but it's almost like once you start to

551
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:32,960
see it it's all there

552
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,440
you know it's not that amazing that i've

553
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:37,520
produced all these books because frankly

554
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,559
i can't fit the evidence

555
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,080
you know this is just scratching the

556
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,320
surface it's really the metaphor i use

557
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:46,320
another metaphor is like if my in my

558
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,160
backyard there was a big storm

559
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,160
and it washed away a goalie and there's

560
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,919
millions of dinosaur bones on the side

561
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,880
of the goalie

562
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,400
and i start bringing them to the museum

563
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:56,400
and they say how is one person producing

564
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:57,760
all these dinosaur bones

565
00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:00,799
well alex they're right there they're

566
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:01,600
right there

567
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,600
front of you the myths are based on the

568
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,640
stars

569
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,880
all of them the bible stories are based

570
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,200
on the stars from first to last

571
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,600
the myths of ancient india in the vedas

572
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,400
which

573
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,880
there's thousands and thousands of gods

574
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,360
and goddesses and stories

575
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:21,520
it would take lifetimes to go through

576
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,559
them all

577
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,159
and yet they're based on the stars it

578
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,159
can be shown to be the greek myths

579
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,200
the norse myths the myths of the maya

580
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:31,200
all the way around the world africa

581
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,240
ancient egypt

582
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,440
mesopotamia they're they're it's

583
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,840
beyond doubt in my opinion the the

584
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,200
evidence is overwhelming that they're

585
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,120
based on the stars

586
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,039
well i like the way you kind of caught

587
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,880
yourself there because it's

588
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:47,120
not even based on your opinion it's just

589
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:48,640
based on the evidence

590
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:52,000
and you just lay it out just one after

591
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,559
another

592
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,520
and i almost i'm not going to apologize

593
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:57,120
for doing this because that was the

594
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,600
whole

595
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,919
intent of doing it but i'm kind of going

596
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:01,280
to pull you

597
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,960
away a little bit from that awesome body

598
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,640
of research

599
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,960
but i really want to encourage people to

600
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,799
go check it out we did a previous

601
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,080
interview where we just kind of

602
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:15,679
again just kind of tapped into it but um

603
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:18,320
you know these books and this latest one

604
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,520
and i don't even know if it is the

605
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:21,520
latest one but myth and trauma which we

606
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,080
will

607
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:25,360
be referencing uh great great great

608
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,840
stuff

609
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,440
in that one too and a lot of new and

610
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,520
surprising stuff but the reason i kind

611
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:32,000
of say that is

612
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,679
you know i emailed you because

613
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,520
kind of strange coincidence it isn't a

614
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:39,600
coincidence

615
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:43,039
i've been really stuck on this idea

616
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,840
about rome and i'm kind of at this

617
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,640
hidden in plain sight moment that

618
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,760
intersects

619
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,159
in a way with a tiny bit of what you've

620
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,840
looked into too which is

621
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,840
super interesting and we're gonna i

622
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:59,679
really wanna so i'm i'm kind of pulling

623
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:01,679
you into that as

624
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,640
one as an authority to fill in my

625
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:06,240
missing pieces on this

626
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,240
but for me the the psyop in plain sight

627
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:13,280
is that christianity is

628
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,280
started as a psyop whether it turns into

629
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,480
what it turns into

630
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:21,039
all the rest of that i is kind of up for

631
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,919
grabs

632
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,480
but i think when you just lay it out the

633
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,159
evidence seems pretty clear

634
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:29,840
that its origins are hey let's try this

635
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,039
we this is a tried and true tried and

636
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:34,720
true formula for us

637
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:37,039
is screwing with religion as a way to

638
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,000
you know

639
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,559
boost our power to supercharge our

640
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:41,840
military might

641
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,039
uh social engineering project and

642
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,679
so this then intersected with some of

643
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,039
the writings that you've done

644
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,520
on your your website which is equally

645
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:52,960
you know super strong and

646
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,600
reading the blog posts are there and you

647
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,280
can search through them but i won't

648
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,000
reference any of those right now but

649
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,520
you've written about this and you've

650
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,960
written about this time period you've

651
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,799
written about josephus and people get

652
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,080
tired of hearing me talk about

653
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:09,600
josephus but he's important to this so

654
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:12,960
i want to pull you into all that but

655
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,240
i i before we even get there

656
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:18,559
i i wanted to touch on a couple other

657
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,360
things

658
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,400
because one of the three there's three

659
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,760
ways that i think we're kind of

660
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,880
kindred spirits on this thing one is

661
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,080
that

662
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,720
i get the hidden and plain sight thing i

663
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:32,799
get that that can happen

664
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,240
i believe that one i believe

665
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:38,000
what you've found because the evidence

666
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,280
is compelling

667
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,600
but i also believe that it's possible i

668
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,279
believe that david matheson can

669
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,840
really have kind of cracked the code on

670
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:47,200
something that so many other people

671
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,919
didn't see

672
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,320
and if you don't believe that's possible

673
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,080
then you can't really

674
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:54,159
get into your work fully you know

675
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,360
because you're always going to be like

676
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,279
you know check yourself like no this

677
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,640
can't be true and then

678
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,520
the the second point is that that i i

679
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:03,840
think where kindred spirits on is

680
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,520
in my investigation so far

681
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:09,600
i've come across just how miserably

682
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:10,720
incompetent

683
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:14,320
what we call uh history or academia in a

684
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,039
lot of cases

685
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,600
it's just ridiculous it's just insane

686
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,880
and you have to kind of pull up yourself

687
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:19,520
and say

688
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,559
well can it really be that bad and um

689
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,520
i was just going to tell you a really

690
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,559
quick anecdote because i just

691
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,760
interviewed this guy named

692
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:28,400
dave brody he's written this really cool

693
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:28,960
book called

694
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,799
america about how the ninth robin legion

695
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,200
might have wound up in america in the

696
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,480
second century

697
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,559
so good story he does and he has all

698
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:40,559
this great evidence in it archaeological

699
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,440
evidence and

700
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,760
all the rest of this stuff carbon dating

701
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,760
part of the evidence are coins

702
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,000
coins that seem to wash up every 10

703
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,760
years there's a major storm and there's

704
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,000
a second century coins that are washing

705
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,480
up on the east coast not where he lives

706
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,960
and here's the the point of this is that

707
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,000
he

708
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:00,880
said that you know this clearly points

709
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,600
to the

710
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,000
natural conclusion ah there is a sunken

711
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,840
ship out there that has coins in it

712
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,520
that's washing up

713
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,279
but it doesn't fit the the narrative

714
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,640
that we have because second

715
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,400
century there couldn't have been any

716
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,000
roman you know ships

717
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:17,200
out there so what does academia do with

718
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,320
that

719
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,000
they just come up with the most bizarre

720
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:21,600
explanations and he's kind of saying

721
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:21,919
look

722
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,279
historians that say

723
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:28,000
well maybe a coin collector went to the

724
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,279
beach

725
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:32,159
and lost his coins and we're both kind

726
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,440
of laughing you know and i

727
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,480
and after i was like you know i can't

728
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,919
even believe that i mean dave's a good

729
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,039
guy and stuff but he

730
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:41,120
he's making that up that can't be real

731
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,240
so i said

732
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,480
dave send me the send me the reference

733
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,919
to that

734
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,960
and uh and he did and there it is you

735
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,080
know this guy from michigan state

736
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:51,520
university published in the peer review

737
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,240
journal

738
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,559
the coin collector i've talked to kanye

739
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,720
and i'm just like

740
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,159
it's it's unbelievable how miserably

741
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,520
incompetent

742
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,520
some not all but some of these people

743
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,120
are and i think that

744
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,080
you know typically people like you and

745
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,760
your theories have had to

746
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,559
push against this perceived you know

747
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,799
ivory tower that knows so much

748
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,400
and when we push into that a little bit

749
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:18,960
we find out that it's just really really

750
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,480
poorly done i think that is

751
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:25,279
kind of uh a big thing do you have any

752
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,919
thoughts

753
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,840
on that yeah this is a great subject

754
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,440
alex it's a great subject and i you know

755
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,880
i applaud

756
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,440
your show and its approach because

757
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,120
you're you're tackling this

758
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,559
this is kind of one of the themes of

759
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,640
your show is tackling this

760
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:41,120
you know just defer to the experts i saw

761
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,320
you know if

762
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,880
and we've all now experienced a year of

763
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,760
just absolute

764
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,039
you know try and figure out what you

765
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,039
know we won't even go into it but

766
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,520
if you're not right a lot of deferring

767
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,799
if you're not entertaining

768
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,679
at least some possibility that there are

769
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,720
narratives

770
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,880
we could call them conspiracies agendas

771
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,760
other than what

772
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,520
necessarily you're being told at this

773
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,919
point you're just not paying attention

774
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,039
because some of the things make

775
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,120
absolutely no sense that are going on

776
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,559
but we'll just set that aside

777
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,159
we can all refer to our own experience

778
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,840
and our own position on that but i saw

779
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:14,720
a cartoon where there's a man and a

780
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,120
woman

781
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,559
standing in a rain shower and he's

782
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:18,320
holding an umbrella to cover them both

783
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
and

784
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,799
he says looks like it's you know it's

785
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,120
pouring and she goes

786
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:25,440
who do you think you are a meteorologist

787
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,480
you know

788
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,960
that's great you can't say that you

789
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,000
can't say that

790
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,960
you until you've got a degree nobody

791
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:34,880
believes you or until

792
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,640
so um but you're when you're saying

793
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,880
just the level of ignorance and

794
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:42,399
incompetency

795
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,399
i would say alex thank you for being so

796
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:49,520
generous and imputing to them that it's

797
00:27:52,269 --> 00:27:50,000
mere

798
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,279
incompetence rather than deliberate

799
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,440
obfuscation

800
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,399
which i can point to in today's

801
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,240
conversation i mean i think

802
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,840
you can tell you can tell me in the

803
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,600
audience you sent me an email kind of

804
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,000
where you

805
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:05,520
want to go i think

806
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,360
i can get to some examples of

807
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:12,240
it's almost impossible to believe just

808
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,799
plain

809
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,520
ignorance going on for over a hundred

810
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,000
years in certain subjects

811
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,320
not you know not even the subject of all

812
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,520
the myths being based on the stars which

813
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,840
the evidence is overwhelming and yet so

814
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,880
far i haven't been

815
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,279
you know academia is not busting down my

816
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:30,880
door to say

817
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,159
hey i'd like you to come lecture my

818
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,840
uh comparative religion department about

819
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:37,440
this this seems interesting

820
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,960
and you know i've

821
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,600
i've experienced kind of like polite

822
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,880
encouragement like

823
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:47,919
you know very good you know thanks

824
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:51,600
and um you know

825
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,960
run along kind of kind of uh when i've

826
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,600
reached out

827
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,840
most of the time but anyway so that's

828
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,039
fine i'll publish it

829
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,720
you know i think it's important to share

830
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,880
with people who are looking for it and

831
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,399
and make it available to people who are

832
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,600
looking for it and you can decide for

833
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:07,120
yourself and i'll show some evidence for

834
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,240
people who are saying

835
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,320
what is he talking about that's based on

836
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,399
stars because i want to show what has

837
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,440
been lost

838
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,279
before we get into the story of how did

839
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,960
it get lost and rome is right at the

840
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,640
center of that story so

841
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,080
that's i think that's where you want to

842
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,480
go and you want to just

843
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,399
no i want to but i want to pick up on a

844
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,919
couple of things you said because i

845
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,840
think they're important and if we get

846
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,960
off the trail

847
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,640
this will just be kind of the first cut

848
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,080
of it and then we'll come back and talk

849
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,000
about the substance because

850
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,399
again i can't stress enough you're in a

851
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,360
unique position

852
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,600
in terms of what you've done here like

853
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,640
you immediately go

854
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,520
to where i would go which is you know my

855
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:45,440
thing was with science and i

856
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,080
genuinely didn't know that it was

857
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:51,039
conspiratorial you know you're a

858
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,480
biological robot in a meaningless

859
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,240
universe i was like gosh darn those guys

860
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,760
are so dumb they don't know it

861
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,760
and then you know i did it for five

862
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,760
years i'm like wait a minute

863
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,840
they knew it all along they're just

864
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,520
pushing they're advancing a certain

865
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,200
agenda for certain

866
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,320
reasons okay now it seems obvious to me

867
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,159
but i can tell you i was doing a lot of

868
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,000
interviews and it didn't seem obvious

869
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,679
and i was interviewing skeptics and i

870
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,880
thought well they just really

871
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,720
don't know darn it i got to convince

872
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,480
them so that's number one

873
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,480
is that i think there's a lot of

874
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,600
different shades

875
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:24,480
of kind of not knowing on both sides one

876
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,039
one

877
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:27,919
like the consumers of the information

878
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,320
you know

879
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,520
the guy on my side on the outside

880
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,520
does it know but i think the guys on the

881
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,880
inside don't know too the guys in the

882
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:36,720
ivory tower you know there's the useful

883
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,520
idiot thing

884
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,200
and then there's the player thing and

885
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,880
then there's a lot of things in between

886
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,960
so useful idiot is just someone who

887
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,000
doesn't know it

888
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:47,200
he's just seems to be he's advancing the

889
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,640
narrative that they want

890
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,240
so that he doesn't realize it but

891
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,840
they're just laying down a little cheese

892
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,760
in his maze and he's just following it

893
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,039
and he's doing their bidding

894
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,799
without knowing it and then there's the

895
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,640
player the guy who we find out is

896
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:00,320
totally tiled in in his

897
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,000
cia or nsa or one of your guys uh you

898
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,600
know navy intelligence military

899
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,360
intelligence but then there's a lot of

900
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,519
things in between that too

901
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,679
so that's one thing i'm not i'm not

902
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,519
connected to military intelligence in

903
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,039
any way okay

904
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,200
all right continue yeah yeah okay i'm

905
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,360
sorry i i just said i was a low level

906
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,960
i got to the rank of captain and i was

907
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,559
in the infantry and i was a uh

908
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,399
i was an infantry officer that's what i

909
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,960
did i wasn't dialed into any i wasn't

910
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,559
privy to any secrets

911
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:31,279
there was a layer system hey and you

912
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,080
know what even

913
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,880
that i have to say because i made a

914
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,760
major misstep

915
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,600
in saying that because a lot of people

916
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:39,360
will go there because i get this all the

917
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,000
time

918
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,039
people are like uh wait

919
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,080
you know it's not necessarily so you

920
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,480
know but i i'm gonna digress too far

921
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,559
one thing i want to interject is you are

922
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,600
qualified

923
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,000
you know like before you you didn't just

924
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,679
you not only west point you got a

925
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,720
master's degree

926
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,640
you went back and did you did teaching

927
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,240
at where the bohr college or at west

928
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,440
point i mean

929
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,880
west point yeah i taught in the

930
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:05,039
department of english and philosophy at

931
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,240
west point in fact i

932
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,159
had the wonderful opportunity to teach

933
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,519
the odyssey i always

934
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,720
mentioned that because it was such a

935
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,720
highlight because i've loved the odyssey

936
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,679
like the odyssey could be your bible if

937
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,679
you want to use the odyssey as a bible

938
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,720
that is

939
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,440
is as profound as any other literature

940
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,519
on the planet and i got to

941
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,760
use the translation by the late great

942
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,799
robert fagles

943
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,880
he was a professor at princeton and he

944
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,080
came and

945
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,159
spent time with us while we were

946
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,760
teaching you know his

947
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,440
translation of the odyssey so i'm always

948
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,799
partial to his translation it's a

949
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,720
fantastic translation but he

950
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,880
was a wonderful scholar and wonderful

951
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,080
just a gentleman

952
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,480
uh just a wonderful person so that was a

953
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,440
great experience

954
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,760
yeah just as an aside were you turned on

955
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,679
to the star myth at that time were you

956
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,399
making those

957
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,840
no no so that's the thing alex i loved

958
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,559
the stars

959
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,760
i loved the myths i was a very

960
00:33:01,029 --> 00:33:00,480
you know conservative literalist

961
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,039
christian

962
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:04,000
at the time i was not looking for this

963
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:05,360
that's the other thing you know people

964
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,240
can say oh

965
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,120
and maybe dave's a you know an insider i

966
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:10,720
was not even looking for this

967
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,240
so if so if i'm giving away uh

968
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:16,320
information it wasn't if it was given to

969
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,760
me it was given to me by some kind of

970
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,240
brain

971
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,559
wave weapon that i don't you know didn't

972
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:21,919
even know was happening

973
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,200
i was not looking for

974
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:28,080
the bible to be all based on the stars

975
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,640
in fact

976
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,279
i was very resistant to that idea i was

977
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,120
reading the bible on sunday

978
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:35,760
exclusively i was not reading secular

979
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,399
literature

980
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:38,559
on sundays that's how serious i was

981
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,519
about

982
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,240
you know that was the you know the

983
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,840
commandment of

984
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,760
the sabbath you don't i even when i was

985
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:47,120
going to grad school i didn't read any

986
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,679
of my

987
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,840
study materials on sunday i just went to

988
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,679
church and read the bible

989
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,519
and so later when i started to see the

990
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,960
connections between the myths and the

991
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,760
stars

992
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,519
and seeing that their bible was also

993
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,399
based on the same system

994
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,960
uh you know i had a choice to make the

995
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,159
evidence kept

996
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:06,480
piling up i had to either change really

997
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,519
radically my

998
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,359
my point of view which changed a lot of

999
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,560
other things about

1000
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,720
my beliefs on politics and economics and

1001
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:13,839
other things

1002
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,119
um but it changed my whole life really

1003
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,960
so i was not looking for it i don't know

1004
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,679
if that did i don't know

1005
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,280
no no that's it and because you know

1006
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:24,879
that that relates directly to this kind

1007
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,679
of third point where i think we kind of

1008
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,960
for people to understand what we're

1009
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:30,079
going to talk about they have to

1010
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:30,879
understand

1011
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:33,679
these three intersections in our kind of

1012
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:34,240
approach

1013
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,760
because i see you as this

1014
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,399
understanding spirituality at a deeper

1015
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,919
level

1016
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:43,119
not in terms of your personal

1017
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,399
spirituality because i don't know what

1018
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,560
your personal spirituality is

1019
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,639
but i understand that you understand

1020
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:50,560
that it's in play here

1021
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,359
because so many times when i talk to i

1022
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,040
think it's a major failing of history

1023
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,480
and when i talk to historians kind of

1024
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,760
mainstream historians

1025
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,400
how they've pulled out this undeniable

1026
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:02,000
fact that each one of these people we're

1027
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:02,960
talking about are

1028
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,160
leading rich spiritual lives

1029
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,920
and that doesn't that doesn't mean that

1030
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,760
it's a good rich spiritual life i mean

1031
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:12,320
whether it's angels or demons or satanic

1032
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,359
or you know

1033
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,560
mithra or whatever it is they are having

1034
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,560
the same kind of rich

1035
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,720
spiritual you know who am i why am i

1036
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,880
here what happens after i die

1037
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,720
what is the weight of my soul is there a

1038
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,640
moral

1039
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:29,280
and to take that out of the equation to

1040
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,760
me

1041
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:32,000
you you can't write it you can't

1042
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,040
understand it

1043
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,960
you can't begin to and and i think that

1044
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,160
is so uh

1045
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,200
so much a part of uh of really

1046
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:41,040
your work in a way that you don't always

1047
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,240
put forward but it's

1048
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,560
certainly right there i mean right under

1049
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:46,560
the surface is that

1050
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,119
those people that were staring up at the

1051
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:50,960
stars

1052
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,240
there was a connection on a very deep

1053
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:56,079
spiritual level that they were trying to

1054
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,119
understand

1055
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,400
and then you're saying that there was

1056
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,839
another that they're really connecting

1057
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,359
to something else but that's almost

1058
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,040
secondary to the fact that

1059
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:05,599
there is that spirituality in people

1060
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,119
that so many times history leaves out

1061
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,240
yeah this is an important point and so

1062
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,599
you know you said something earlier

1063
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,839
about christianity being a psyop

1064
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,079
or you know the convince being convinced

1065
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,480
that christianity is a psyop and i would

1066
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:22,320
the the origin let me let me make sure

1067
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:23,280
because i don't want to go off on the

1068
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,000
right thing

1069
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,520
the the the initial origins

1070
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,240
of it the start of it i think it turned

1071
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:32,079
into something completely

1072
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,520
different than what they could have

1073
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:36,000
imagined but i think we can trace back

1074
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,119
to

1075
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,200
it was just a something an operation

1076
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,800
that went really really

1077
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,240
so much better than they ever could have

1078
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,079
imagined but anyways go ahead maybe you

1079
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:46,240
don't yeah no i i i would say that the

1080
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,119
imposition

1081
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,760
of literalist christianity was a

1082
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,720
deliberate

1083
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,440
it just it just doesn't happen that

1084
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,000
christianity

1085
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,920
just took over the roman empire the way

1086
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,920
we're kind of taught that it did oh

1087
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,560
you know just um we can get into that

1088
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:01,680
but

1089
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,480
christianity itself or the scriptures

1090
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,359
the ancient

1091
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,599
stories that are in the bible the old

1092
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:09,200
testament and the new testament

1093
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:12,960
i believe are very ancient very profound

1094
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,160
very positive very beneficial

1095
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,640
and speaking and speak to people and

1096
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,599
that's part of the reason why

1097
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,160
you know i like i said i was i found a

1098
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:26,320
lot of truth and meaning

1099
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,839
in the bible while i was taking it

1100
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,880
literally

1101
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,320
however i believe that taking it

1102
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:34,640
literally inverts i think what happened

1103
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,960
was

1104
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,320
ancient this ancient system is related

1105
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,400
to all the other myths that the stories

1106
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:41,359
in the bible are

1107
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,480
related to the myths of osiris or

1108
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,599
the gilgamesh and inanna and the

1109
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,320
stories that you find in the americas

1110
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,400
they're very profound

1111
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:55,359
they have a very positive potential use

1112
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,760
but

1113
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,680
like a martial art as i kind of say in

1114
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,680
the in the book a martial art

1115
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,440
can be used for very positive things it

1116
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,240
can also be used for negative things

1117
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,880
and what this imposition of this

1118
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:08,800
literalist

1119
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,480
um structure that then became

1120
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,480
basically an imperialist structure that

1121
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,160
went out and started stamping out

1122
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,640
other stamp at first they stamped out

1123
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,320
all the roman and greek gods and the

1124
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:22,000
egyptian gods and then they started

1125
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,040
stamping out

1126
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,280
what was in western europe and then

1127
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:26,960
northern europe came later

1128
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,079
like scandinavia the north smiths

1129
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,160
and then it jumped across and started

1130
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,839
stamping out whatever it could find in

1131
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:34,800
the americas

1132
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:38,320
it is a world dominating uh system

1133
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,320
which the the good

1134
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,440
teachings of those ancient stories

1135
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:48,000
are still there but when you start to

1136
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:49,520
understand that they're not

1137
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,960
literal i believe you can is

1138
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,359
it is profoundly positive when you get

1139
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,880
rid of the negative parts that

1140
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,880
come along with the literal list the

1141
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,560
most of the negative aspects of it come

1142
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,240
from the literalist

1143
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,760
imposition which is a mistake or a

1144
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:08,000
twisting and inversion of the stories in

1145
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,280
the in the first place

1146
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,640
maybe i'm getting a little ahead because

1147
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:13,040
i haven't even shown anything but that's

1148
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,640
i wanted to kind of make that clear i'm

1149
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,640
not trying to bash

1150
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,720
anybody's deep beliefs and if you have

1151
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:20,240
deep beliefs in

1152
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,599
something uh if you know jesus or

1153
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,280
whatever else

1154
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,440
i'm not trying to take away from what

1155
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,520
what what works for anybody but this

1156
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,520
is this has been very profound for me

1157
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,280
and i i think it's uh

1158
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:36,480
definitely worth sharing and and and

1159
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,760
seeing oh my goodness on an entire new

1160
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,960
depth of

1161
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,800
multiple depths of meaning come out when

1162
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,560
you start to actually listen to them

1163
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,160
in the language that are speaking which

1164
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,800
is an esoteric metaphorical language

1165
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:51,440
that is a celestial based on a celestial

1166
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,480
metaphor

1167
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,560
seeing i'm okay with that but i'm not

1168
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,680
interested in it

1169
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,880
okay but understand why i'm not

1170
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,480
interested in it because i don't want

1171
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,520
us to get kind of across purposes i'm

1172
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:05,200
not interested in it

1173
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,599
because i just want to drive towards

1174
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:12,480
a couple of data points and then let

1175
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,960
people

1176
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,680
run wherever they want with them and it

1177
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:17,520
is as you said first my first

1178
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,280
inclination is kind of deconstruction

1179
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:24,160
and destruction in a lot of ways so i'm

1180
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,200
not interested in

1181
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,079
preserving somebody's belief system or

1182
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,079
interjecting my belief system

1183
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,280
i'm just interested in laying out

1184
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:36,400
the facts and again go to david's

1185
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:39,760
books and learn all about the myths

1186
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,720
and what the connection i'm saying he is

1187
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,200
under

1188
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:46,800
but here's where i'm trying to go i'm

1189
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:50,079
talking too much i want to start

1190
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,079
chapter 13 the cult of mithras

1191
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,960
in this book myth of trauma because to

1192
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:57,680
me

1193
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,599
i want to pull you into focus on this

1194
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,000
point because i think it's a pivotal

1195
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,000
pivotal point in history

1196
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,839
and it's not obscure history like

1197
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,280
like the thing that people should get

1198
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:13,680
excited about your work

1199
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,119
is it's ancient but it's immediate

1200
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,160
it's right now it's happening and i say

1201
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,760
the same thing about this

1202
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:24,240
you know you're going to talk about uh

1203
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,960
mithras

1204
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,880
you immediately go to julius caesar

1205
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,880
who's interesting and brutus and

1206
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:31,040
mark anthony and cleopatra it's all

1207
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:31,920
right there

1208
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,200
and then you go to you know jesus

1209
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,119
it's that time period and all right

1210
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:39,119
there so you should be interested in all

1211
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:40,079
those reasons

1212
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,440
but the real reason you should be

1213
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:43,359
interested in it is you're living it

1214
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,240
right now

1215
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,720
you are living the result of that cult

1216
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,160
and what they did

1217
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,280
and how they socially engineered our

1218
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,119
spiritual yearning into something that

1219
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:54,640
they want so

1220
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:57,200
i'll just start with the history and

1221
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:58,240
pulling you

1222
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:01,599
to chapter 13 what is the cult of

1223
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,560
mithras

1224
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,079
yeah i know you're you're absolutely

1225
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,920
right alex it is it is

1226
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,319
this is the biggest conspiracy in

1227
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,319
history and it's still going on and it

1228
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:12,079
impacts you know

1229
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,359
wherever you are on the political

1230
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,440
spectrum that political spectrum is a

1231
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,280
playing out of this same

1232
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,839
creep this same thing that's been going

1233
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,720
on

1234
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,000
forever and uh

1235
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,720
i i will show you i've got slides in

1236
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:29,520
here for mithras so the cult of mithras

1237
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,440
is often portrayed as a rival

1238
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:35,440
to christianity there are all these

1239
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,040
different mystery

1240
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,800
religions floating around in the roman

1241
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,880
empire at that time and people were

1242
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,480
experimenting with all these different

1243
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,720
things and oh mithra

1244
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,440
ism started getting traction especially

1245
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:48,400
among the army

1246
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,640
praetorian guard

1247
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:55,200
if you've seen the movie gladiator

1248
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,839
actually

1249
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,119
that movie for whatever reason happens

1250
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,560
to focus in on

1251
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,119
almost the crucial juncture in this

1252
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,480
whole conspiracy

1253
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,560
the handoff between marcus aurelius who

1254
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,760
most people have heard of

1255
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,079
and his son commodus who was played by

1256
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,000
joaquin phoenix in that movie

1257
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,440
and we'll get into that but so the cult

1258
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:16,800
of mithras or the

1259
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,720
the society of mithras or mithraism

1260
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,960
is often portrayed as well it was

1261
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,240
gaining a lot of traction

1262
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,079
at the same time that christianity was

1263
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:27,599
gaining a lot of traction

1264
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,040
and both and history was in the balance

1265
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:32,480
and it could have tipped one way or the

1266
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,960
other

1267
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:36,000
but uh christianity won out why well

1268
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,119
probably because

1269
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,280
mithraism only allowed men into the

1270
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,119
lodges it was a little more exclusive

1271
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,880
and christianity was a little more

1272
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,839
inclusive and christianity you know

1273
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,440
jesus famously

1274
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,400
hung out with prostitutes and you know

1275
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,640
everybody was welcome whereas mithraism

1276
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,079
was a little bit more

1277
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:57,599
uh you know the army or the praetorian

1278
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,160
guard

1279
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,160
or certain people who were in the kind

1280
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:01,760
of the equitaste the

1281
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:05,440
the equator uh equestrian class

1282
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,390
that's all great so but uh let's break

1283
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,599
down for people

1284
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,400
because uh this term cult is really

1285
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:21,680
interesting because it kind of has a

1286
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,160
different

1287
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,000
meaning for us than it did for them back

1288
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,960
then and and and so let's talk about

1289
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,280
what

1290
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,040
cult meant and then it's really

1291
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,960
interesting you know i would interject

1292
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:35,280
a little bit is the whole cult thing

1293
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,000
starts

1294
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,200
with julius caesar who is kind of this

1295
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:42,160
pretty big ego guy and he says you know

1296
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:42,480
the

1297
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,000
isn't big enough

1298
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,760
how do i give him bigger i'll make

1299
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,839
myself a god you know well i need a god

1300
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,119
i need a way to worship

1301
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,560
and that's becomes the origin of the

1302
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,240
cult and then that works so it's

1303
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,240
rebooted over and over again

1304
00:45:03,829 --> 00:44:59,599
but add to that but you know i mean

1305
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:03,839
cult is what we would understand to be

1306
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,160
the

1307
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,920
catholic church would be exactly

1308
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,280
equivalent the the

1309
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,760
roman would see absolutely no difference

1310
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:10,640
between what were

1311
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,520
what they're calling a cult and uh roman

1312
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,640
roman catholic right well you know the

1313
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,079
term cult in our

1314
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,720
in our society has been heavily impacted

1315
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,680
by what happened during

1316
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,760
the 60s where you had what were

1317
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,119
basically

1318
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:30,000
intelligence operations and creating

1319
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,440
cults like manson

1320
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:34,480
that was a that was a complete operation

1321
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,560
um jim jones if you if you dig into the

1322
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,520
jonestown you will uncover the threads

1323
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
that pull apart

1324
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,880
you know the entire wall that's been

1325
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,160
pulled over your eyes as

1326
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,599
uh you know as as morpheus famously says

1327
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,040
in the uh

1328
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,599
in the matrix if you pull on jonestown

1329
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,200
the whole

1330
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,880
wool the world that's been pulled over

1331
00:46:02,710 --> 00:45:59,440
your eyes comes apart

1332
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:02,720
and john judge wrote a uh like a longer

1333
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,040
than

1334
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,560
essay about jonestown that

1335
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,560
really shows you that that was an

1336
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,680
operation so

1337
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,680
these cults like if you watch the movie

1338
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:13,599
bad times at the el royale

1339
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:17,040
where there's a cult in there uh it's

1340
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,190
reenactment or use weaponization of

1341
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,359
of certain things that that the that

1342
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:30,720
this group has been

1343
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,680
has known how to do for a long time um

1344
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,119
now i'm saying too much

1345
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,440
scratch that from the record there alex

1346
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,480
no no no it's

1347
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,040
it's interesting so colt you know we

1348
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,000
have this idea

1349
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,480
of cult that's been basically impressed

1350
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,599
on us because of

1351
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,400
the moonies and the uh you know

1352
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,920
jonestown

1353
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,440
all of which have intelligence

1354
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,119
connections and this whole thing

1355
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,280
that i'm talking about is intelligence

1356
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,359
agencies are basically the modern

1357
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,640
modern arm of this um

1358
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,720
cult of mithras or operation of mithras

1359
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:04,000
but the word cult just comes from the

1360
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:05,520
word culture it means something that

1361
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,319
grows

1362
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,119
if i cultivate the land you know i can

1363
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:11,359
make barley grow or i can make flowers

1364
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:12,000
grow

1365
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,760
human beings everything we do is culture

1366
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,040
whether it's

1367
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,760
you know you can read you know like i

1368
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,880
said i i

1369
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,800
got a master's in english and read a lot

1370
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,160
of foucault

1371
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,359
and you know the the dairy da and the

1372
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,079
these uh scholars in the 60s who started

1373
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,440
to say let me examine

1374
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,760
the phenomena of friday night fights and

1375
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,640
what that

1376
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,119
that's a cultural manifestation of the

1377
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,400
50s or

1378
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:43,119
the types of cars people drive that is

1379
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,760
culture

1380
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,839
and so once we start to identify

1381
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,680
ourselves with certain well i dress this

1382
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,240
way i'm

1383
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,599
sending you signals in and you basically

1384
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:52,559
create

1385
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,400
a culture which uh and now a cult

1386
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,880
has kind of religious or spiritual

1387
00:48:01,109 --> 00:48:00,400
aspects to it and there was a lot of

1388
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,119
that

1389
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,720
floating around in the in the period

1390
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:06,240
in the roman period you know we found

1391
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,599
the dead sea scrolls and they're a big

1392
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,880
part of this story and i think you want

1393
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,800
to get to those and i've got some

1394
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,480
things to say about the dead sea scrolls

1395
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,160
because they

1396
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,119
uh have they have tremendous evidence

1397
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:18,960
that points to

1398
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,480
something went on that eliminated the

1399
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,440
ancient wisdom i think

1400
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,400
really what i want to do is show what

1401
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,520
kind of a

1402
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,760
a couple slides that maybe give some

1403
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,880
people who are

1404
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,960
right now maybe spinning going what the

1405
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:35,920
heck

1406
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,920
is david and alex talking about

1407
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,680
just to put a little bit of a framework

1408
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,920
on it to show what was lost what we had

1409
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,520
was ancient wisdom that was given to

1410
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,480
every culture

1411
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,960
around the world then it got stamped out

1412
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,040
and around the time it got stamped out

1413
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,599
there were cults circulating around you

1414
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,040
have the essenes which

1415
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,559
a lot of people associate them with the

1416
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,640
dead sea scrolls where they had a very

1417
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,520
strict

1418
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,599
you don't get into that community except

1419
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,359
through like two years of probation well

1420
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,960
yeah we'll let you in but every

1421
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,240
six months we're going to talk about

1422
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,400
your behavior and see what nope

1423
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,480
he didn't button his bottom button on

1424
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:11,920
his tunic that guy

1425
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,040
is too radical kick him out

1426
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,720
and they weren't necessarily the essenes

1427
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,880
were a cult but they weren't necessarily

1428
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:22,559
gathering people in people were coming

1429
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,599
to the essenes

1430
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,960
they weren't running around trying to

1431
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,440
impose their views on others at least

1432
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,760
most scholars say they weren't then you

1433
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,920
had kind of

1434
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,000
apocalyptic cults who were actually

1435
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,839
actively going out and seeking

1436
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,079
members and saying listen the world is

1437
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:39,760
fixing to end

1438
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,720
in a couple of years it is time now to

1439
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,400
quickly sell all your possessions

1440
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,359
and start doing the right thing or

1441
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,680
you're going to be burned up

1442
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,599
instead of going to the good place and

1443
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,119
that was going on and they were

1444
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,880
aggressively going out and

1445
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,119
you know gathering or spreading their

1446
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,880
message and you listen to

1447
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,400
you know scholars talking about john the

1448
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,680
baptist we'll say look at john the

1449
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,040
baptist he is saying

1450
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,359
the axe is at the root of the tree it's

1451
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:07,119
about to come down

1452
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,400
repent get in the water right now

1453
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,520
and change your life or else because the

1454
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:14,800
tree is about to get

1455
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:18,559
chopped down now um

1456
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,079
that was going on at this time so

1457
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,680
that's more of what we think about as a

1458
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,280
cult you know a cult

1459
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:27,280
goes on tv and has ads and says you

1460
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:28,880
should come and do

1461
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,079
do this and get and get right before

1462
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,079
something bad happens the ufo comes and

1463
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,520
takes us you know

1464
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,280
i was out in the desert when that that

1465
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,599
whole hail bop comment

1466
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:40,960
i was out in the national training

1467
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,440
center under the stars

1468
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,800
and i looked up and i said that's a

1469
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,319
comment i didn't even know there was a

1470
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,680
comment coming this was in you know the

1471
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,200
96 the hail bot

1472
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:51,359
bop comet and there was the heavens gate

1473
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,319
cult

1474
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,960
remember that and they all you know

1475
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:56,480
committed suicide because they thought

1476
00:51:05,109 --> 00:50:56,880
the

1477
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,119
don't want to slow that

1478
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,960
down and i want you to go ahead and do

1479
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,510
but there's something right beneath the

1480
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,760
surface there that we have to kind of

1481
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,040
bring out is that

1482
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,599
for whatever reason we all have

1483
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,000
programmed into us

1484
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:24,240
this positive thing about cults and this

1485
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,200
negative thing about

1486
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,200
cults in terms of our participation in

1487
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:28,800
them we need community

1488
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,480
we like community we like fellowship

1489
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,599
and we like structure we like rules

1490
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,640
and that isn't a bad thing but sometimes

1491
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,800
that gets out of control so you know

1492
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,839
you're talking about the dead sea

1493
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,119
scrolls and

1494
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,839
some of the evangelical groups that are

1495
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,880
described there

1496
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:49,280
i mean it's wacky it's that's that's

1497
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,079
just like you're saying

1498
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,720
they're different versions of the same

1499
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,440
thing that we see today and we see that

1500
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,800
people when they get together have a

1501
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,359
tendency to do that i i think what your

1502
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,839
book also or your whole work also

1503
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,520
relates to though which is

1504
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,760
the the in difficult thing to balance

1505
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,720
and i don't know if we're gonna be able

1506
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,640
to balance it in this conversation

1507
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,640
is there's a genuine spiritual yearning

1508
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,839
in these people

1509
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,680
so a lot of times when we look at that

1510
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,359
from an atheistic perspective we all

1511
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,800
those moonies what

1512
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,440
idiots you know or those jim jones

1513
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:21,359
people how could you be so stupid how

1514
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,000
could you

1515
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,760
inject that kool-aid into your

1516
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,760
daughter's mouth

1517
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,920
well i would suggest again that those

1518
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,800
people are having rich spiritual lives

1519
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,520
now maybe it's they're talking to

1520
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:35,839
they're being influenced by benevolence

1521
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:38,240
i don't know i i don't know what their

1522
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,520
spiritual life is

1523
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,760
but i i think we make a mistake if we

1524
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,040
think that they're not

1525
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,119
trying to figure the out in the

1526
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,480
same way that we are and you're not

1527
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,839
saying otherwise

1528
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,000
i'm just saying when we start pulling

1529
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,520
that apart

1530
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:54,480
there's those two aspects of it and then

1531
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:55,200
there's this

1532
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,680
third aspect of it which i'm going to

1533
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:59,119
turn this into a question because i

1534
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:00,160
don't know

1535
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:04,640
but my little riff on the imperial cult

1536
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,079
that was really started by uh aurelius

1537
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,720
after caesar because you know aurelius

1538
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,599
is the great

1539
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:14,480
grand it's his great grand uncle or

1540
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,040
whatever

1541
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:18,079
see uh julius caesar is but he wants to

1542
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,839
wrap himself around that

1543
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,359
so he says no i'm going to create the

1544
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:23,280
imperial cult it's about caesar don't

1545
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,720
you guys want to worship caesar he was

1546
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,599
like a god

1547
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,200
and then he goes and who am i well i'm

1548
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:29,280
the adopted son of the god isn't that

1549
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,920
pretty good

1550
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,400
and he starts building these temples

1551
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,000
these cults these temples

1552
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,359
all throughout the empire to

1553
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,200
again i think it relates to what you're

1554
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,480
saying to kind of

1555
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,920
mere compete uh offer a counterbalance

1556
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,200
to the other

1557
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,440
temples and things that are going on

1558
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,280
because he sees that that's

1559
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,359
kind of an important thing and that

1560
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,599
imperial cult thing that starts with

1561
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,800
the kind of that

1562
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,640
then gets rebooted and it's going to get

1563
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,319
rebooted later and later and later

1564
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,480
because it becomes this

1565
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,960
play that we can kind of turn in and and

1566
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,599
and then

1567
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,200
so we're going to tie that into the the

1568
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,640
cult of mithras maybe the cult of

1569
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,800
mithras is going on all through this or

1570
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,920
not but

1571
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,440
what would what do you think about any

1572
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:15,119
of that do you have any thoughts or yeah

1573
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,440
no

1574
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:18,319
okay so so the first so the first part

1575
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,950
i think you're thinking of augustus you

1576
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,720
you slipped and said augustus you're

1577
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,000
right i'm sorry

1578
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,240
that's okay though but actually so the

1579
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,680
um

1580
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,640
you know the association of kings with

1581
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,839
gods

1582
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,480
in ancient egypt ancient mesopotamia is

1583
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,480
not really that uncommon

1584
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,440
it is uncommon in greece right greeks

1585
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:42,559
would have none of that

1586
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,160
crap they'd be like no no no no right so

1587
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,440
but there's a reason i i would say

1588
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,559
you know there's a bit of a tangent but

1589
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,559
it's not really because it's uh it's

1590
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:56,640
almost like a political question of

1591
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,240
the gifts of the gods to a nation

1592
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,640
include the rivers include the fertile

1593
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,480
soil all those things were seen as

1594
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,160
coming from the gods

1595
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,880
and the gifts of the people the children

1596
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:09,760
that are born

1597
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,200
are born there by the by the uh will of

1598
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,640
the gods and you

1599
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:18,000
alex have certain gifts and make up that

1600
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,960
is just yours

1601
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:21,839
you have certain personality traits and

1602
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,400
interests

1603
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,319
and but you will take the conversation

1604
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,760
in a different way than any other

1605
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,440
podcaster that i talk to because you're

1606
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,400
alex right

1607
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,319
you've been given that those gifts by

1608
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,160
the gods

1609
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,319
that this was the ancient perspective

1610
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:36,160
and so who protects those

1611
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,400
or the king is responsible for making

1612
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:41,680
sure that those gifts

1613
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,720
are benefiting the whole land and are

1614
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,960
not taken over by oligarchs

1615
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:49,200
who just use them for themselves and so

1616
00:56:12,950 --> 00:55:50,079
the

1617
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,960
to ensure ideally i'm saying ideally

1618
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:15,040
the ancients were fine with democracy

1619
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,000
and they were fine with

1620
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,839
monarchy they weren't too keen on

1621
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,599
oligarchy which is basically what we

1622
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,040
have today but anyway

1623
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,160
um the the

1624
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:26,160
coins would have pictures of the gods on

1625
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,280
them because the whole

1626
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:30,000
economy comes from the gifts of the gods

1627
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,359
and sometimes they would also have the

1628
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:32,720
king on there because

1629
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:41,030
like the intermediary for the ruling on

1630
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:42,400
behalf of the gods

1631
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,559
for for the benefit of the people

1632
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,640
long tangent but so i would say that

1633
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:50,559
what's you know julius caesar is not my

1634
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,440
expertise

1635
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,359
and i think that the whole imposition of

1636
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,599
the mithras movement came

1637
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,799
after in the time of vespasian which

1638
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,240
you know you've talked to joe atwell a

1639
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,839
few times we can get into that whole

1640
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:02,480
thing

1641
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,160
the whole the vespasian uh um

1642
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,559
titus and domitian the flavian dynasty

1643
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,920
or dynasty

1644
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,240
is a crucial turning point it's it's

1645
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:14,160
after the caesars it's after nero it's

1646
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,880
right out absolutely

1647
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:17,680
absolutely absolutely so and i want you

1648
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:18,480
to to go

1649
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,559
on that and and to to to move there um

1650
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,680
i just wanted to i was hoping that i was

1651
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:27,920
building on what you were saying

1652
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,880
and i'd kind of i don't think that last

1653
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:32,079
part of what you said

1654
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,319
is a tangent at all it's something that

1655
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,839
it's going to be impossible to wrestle

1656
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,839
to the ground but i think

1657
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,920
it's fundamental to your work and i

1658
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,240
think it's fundamental to

1659
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,200
basically what i'm saying too is that i

1660
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:49,119
don't know what these extended realms

1661
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:49,839
are

1662
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,440
but you just gave one possible

1663
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,240
narrative for how we interact with these

1664
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:57,760
extended realms right

1665
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:01,359
which is there is some

1666
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:05,200
moral imperative i always say there is

1667
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:06,000
some moral

1668
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,319
it is accessible

1669
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:12,799
it was designed to be accessible to the

1670
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:13,520
people

1671
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,520
sometimes goes awry

1672
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:20,480
and it gets you know awesome awesome and

1673
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:20,720
i

1674
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,799
have on the table dave because we got to

1675
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,000
kind of establish where we're coming

1676
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:32,000
from and again we might not get all the

1677
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,640
way

1678
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,480
through to you know where we want to get

1679
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:36,480
today but we we have to do this

1680
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,119
otherwise

1681
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,599
it doesn't really make any sense so the

1682
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,359
only reason

1683
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:43,040
i want to talk about josephus i want to

1684
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,480
talk about the flavians i think that's

1685
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,920
where the action is i want to talk about

1686
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,720
josephus

1687
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,240
that's where but that's the part that's

1688
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:50,240
really got me excited but when

1689
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:54,400
i my kind of quick read through it

1690
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,559
found that really this this whole

1691
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,280
idea that we can kind of reboot this

1692
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,720
idea of the cult

1693
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:05,040
we can reboot which pops up directly

1694
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,480
into what you're going to say with

1695
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:08,480
you know it's not that far from

1696
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:09,520
vespasian

1697
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:13,520
then really

1698
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:14,720
you know the when we're going to talk

1699
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:17,760
about the flavians we got vespasian

1700
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:20,400
and we have titus who only serves a very

1701
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,359
short time

1702
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:24,319
and then we have domitian and a lot of

1703
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,799
people

1704
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,160
i don't know what you think but you read

1705
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,240
that history it looks like the mission

1706
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,880
killed titus i mean that a lot of people

1707
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,680
suspect that

1708
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,079
and that could be true and it's kind of

1709
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:35,359
interesting because then he

1710
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,119
of course really reboots the the cult

1711
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,440
and really advances that thing which is

1712
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,680
like oh the glorification of

1713
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:46,319
my brother and my father which again

1714
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:47,200
would be

1715
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,640
typical you know play in the playbook of

1716
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:52,559
how to

1717
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:56,799
kind of another play in the evil

1718
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,559
playbook but i'm just jump in there i

1719
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,160
mean we don't have to

1720
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,760
take us to the slides that you have

1721
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,440
maybe yeah this is interesting because i

1722
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,359
i think it's really interesting

1723
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,200
the direction it's kind of that's what's

1724
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,760
grown up out of the cultivation of our

1725
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,520
conversation so far that

1726
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:16,000
because i think that the smashing of

1727
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,040
that ancient

1728
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,079
understanding was

1729
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,960
in order to grab the resources among

1730
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,640
certain families which is exactly what

1731
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,599
happened after

1732
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,640
after the roman empire was dissolved

1733
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,359
europe especially western europe because

1734
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:32,799
the roman empire cracked into

1735
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,200
eastern and western the western roman

1736
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:36,960
empire cracked into

1737
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:40,319
feudal fiefdoms which

1738
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:43,040
then feudalism came in that is the part

1739
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,559
of the world that basically then went

1740
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,640
out and colonized everybody later on

1741
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:48,880
they became the colonial powers

1742
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,240
that started taking the resources from

1743
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:55,359
africa america

1744
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:58,400
asia india everywhere else so this whole

1745
01:01:03,670 --> 01:00:59,520
story

1746
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,680
that so and actually yeah i mean that

1747
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,200
i think they were destroyed they were

1748
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:07,119
dismantling the roman empire they were

1749
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,079
not

1750
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,880
exalting the caesars they were basically

1751
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,680
trying to get

1752
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,520
the caesars out of the way and all the

1753
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,240
mechanisms of

1754
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,640
basically communal the communal

1755
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:20,160
mechanisms that could stand against the

1756
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,960
oligarchs

1757
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,520
had to go and that's that's what i would

1758
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,040
i would argue this is more about

1759
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,079
oligarchs overthrowing

1760
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,480
anything that chains them down that's

1761
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:32,559
why i'm not a libertarian

1762
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,640
well in in again it's it's hard to

1763
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,839
unpack all this

1764
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,920
because one of the things i think i see

1765
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:39,760
differently

1766
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:42,799
i'm really hung up on this idea of this

1767
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,240
uh spiritual life that people are living

1768
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,240
and i think like even in this roman

1769
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:49,599
empire i see people that

1770
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:52,960
try and put it back try and put it back

1771
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,160
on course and the power

1772
01:02:03,190 --> 01:01:59,200
of the cult the power

1773
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,200
of the evil which is kind of

1774
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,480
and the attraction of that um

1775
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:08,160
kind of wins out sometimes it doesn't

1776
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,760
win and then in other places in other

1777
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,720
parts of the world

1778
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,720
it doesn't so i think it's kind of a i

1779
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,640
always see it as kind of a mixed bag as

1780
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:17,039
history progresses and then also you

1781
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,760
know i think

1782
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,079
when you jump to the end game what

1783
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,319
you're doing which is totally true

1784
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:25,200
like uh like what you're saying the way

1785
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:25,440
i

1786
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:33,599
the best

1787
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,640
game in town we can

1788
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,400
you have a great quote in the thing it's

1789
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:40,480
like you know

1790
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:43,760
it's the better way to rule it's it's to

1791
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,039
if i have two uh different groups

1792
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:48,799
that hate each other but they're both

1793
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:51,599
christian and i'm the pope

1794
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:54,400
i i this is the best possible situation

1795
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,039
they're

1796
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,960
struggling either at odds with you

1797
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,319
they're fighting each other and

1798
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,960
i'm above i'm always above i'm always

1799
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,520
above

1800
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:04,079
it's the best possible thing but that

1801
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,599
where we kind of maybe see it

1802
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:07,599
slightly differently is i don't think

1803
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,720
they had

1804
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,880
i don't think it had such a great plan i

1805
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,960
think the plan was kind of like

1806
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,359
you know like a lot of things that we

1807
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,119
see in real life it's like

1808
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:20,160
oh that was a mistake

1809
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,760
wait a minute maybe it wasn't such a

1810
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,680
mistake maybe we could go the next

1811
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:26,000
maybe we can get this done you know it

1812
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,119
and so

1813
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,200
uh that's always in the back of my mind

1814
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,829
you know bringing it back to you we'll

1815
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:35,200
have this conversation like this is

1816
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,920
going to throw

1817
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,160
people are going to be like but like

1818
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:40,720
when you were talking about corona

1819
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,000
uh i don't think these guys had

1820
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,559
any clue that they would be as

1821
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:47,839
successful

1822
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:49,839
with this social engineering project as

1823
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:52,640
it was i don't think in their wildest

1824
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,440
dreams they thought they would get

1825
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:56,880
everybody to just

1826
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:59,359
turn upside down give away all their

1827
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,079
rights

1828
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,680
that it would just be kind of they just

1829
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:03,359
you know everyone just turn over and say

1830
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:05,520
okay i'll do whatever you say

1831
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:08,880
not in their wildest dreams and the way

1832
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,520
i was to

1833
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:11,200
the way i relate it back to i look at

1834
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,559
like a climate change

1835
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,640
they tried that global warming

1836
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:16,079
for 20 years

1837
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,839
and it didn't it didn't work if they

1838
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:19,280
were geniuses they would have made that

1839
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:20,480
work and you can see they're trying to

1840
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,520
bring it back now

1841
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:24,160
but the thing is they don't always have

1842
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,039
the answer

1843
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:28,079
it's just they got a lot of guns

1844
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:31,920
they have a lot of bullets you know

1845
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,000
and they can keep firing and keep firing

1846
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,119
so that i think that's at play here and

1847
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:39,119
you might not see it that way but i

1848
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:40,720
don't think they could have possibly

1849
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:43,920
seen how successful this game would be

1850
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:47,200
until it started to unfold yeah i

1851
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,960
um you know i'm not unwilling to go down

1852
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,480
those roads but i do want to

1853
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,079
actually go back to because you've

1854
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,319
dropped this idea a couple of times and

1855
01:05:02,069 --> 01:04:58,079
i haven't picked it up

1856
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,079
because i um about people searching for

1857
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,559
they're searching they join a cult

1858
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:06,079
because they're searching

1859
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:10,160
the the whole central thesis of myth and

1860
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:11,280
trauma the book

1861
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:14,960
myth and trauma is that these ancient

1862
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:18,480
myths are actually

1863
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:21,520
they're multi-multi-layered but they

1864
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,000
have as

1865
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:25,520
a central theme the repair

1866
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,760
of trauma the repair of that alienation

1867
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:32,079
that that that hunger that we have

1868
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,119
inside our

1869
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:35,760
cells what are we looking for we're

1870
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,520
searching for something

1871
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:40,079
the myths are talking about that and

1872
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:41,039
it's very

1873
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:47,760
beneficial and and what we're looking

1874
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:49,760
for is ourself you're looking for

1875
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,799
yourself you've been

1876
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:52,480
alienated from yourself that's why

1877
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:53,839
there's so many myths

1878
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,039
about twins and there's so i can

1879
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,440
show you beyond doubt that the myths are

1880
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:01,200
talking about that and how to repair

1881
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:01,680
that

1882
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:11,680
to our full potential i would argue is

1883
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:15,440
to recover that connection and get back

1884
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:16,319
in touch with

1885
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,640
who we are that because otherwise we're

1886
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,000
sabotaging ourself

1887
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,079
all the time and i think probably every

1888
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,079
listener certainly myself

1889
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,200
i have plenty of experience uh with

1890
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:29,200
self-sabotage like i think we all know

1891
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,079
what that it feels

1892
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,720
is and feels like and so getting back in

1893
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,799
touch with yourself think how much

1894
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:36,000
you know if you could live up to your

1895
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:37,440
full potential think how great that

1896
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,240
would be

1897
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,799
well if if the myths are about that and

1898
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:42,240
you're trying to impose

1899
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:45,440
tyranny oppression and

1900
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,559
uh you know taking away resources or

1901
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,359
imposing poverty and you don't want

1902
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:53,359
people you don't want that

1903
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:55,039
and that's why why would someone do that

1904
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:56,720
why would someone go down that path

1905
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,359
why would someone do those things to

1906
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:00,720
other people

1907
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,039
yeah it's it's pretty it's pretty uh no

1908
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:05,280
no i'm i'm asking it as a real question

1909
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:08,400
yeah to in order to take over

1910
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:11,599
and be and and be look if i'm the only

1911
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:13,599
one who knows kung fu in the village

1912
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,920
i can run that village now why do you

1913
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:17,280
want to run why do you even want to run

1914
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,599
that

1915
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,079
we're going to go right now they're not

1916
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,599
connected to their self that's why

1917
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:22,960
because if they were they'd be like the

1918
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:24,799
kung fu master who comes in and says

1919
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:28,160
i'm here to help i'm here to help uh i

1920
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,319
look i'm here to help prevent

1921
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,720
bullying you know that the if you think

1922
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:35,920
of like the kung fu movie

1923
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:38,000
it's usually the kung fu master wanders

1924
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:38,960
in

1925
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,559
and it usually turns out that the

1926
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:50,880
central villain is also a kung fu master

1927
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:53,520
and he's using his kung fu to oppress

1928
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:54,640
the village and then they have a big

1929
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:55,599
fight and that's kind of

1930
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,039
that's that's the plot how to write a

1931
01:08:03,349 --> 01:07:59,280
great kung fu movie so

1932
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,359
why is that why what's wrong with that

1933
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:06,240
bad kung fu master that he wants to take

1934
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,280
over the village and

1935
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,640
and steal from everybody there's

1936
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,319
something wrong inside

1937
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:13,359
that needs to get reconnected

1938
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,239
with that person and i and i i think

1939
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,839
every single

1940
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,120
human being on this planet is a

1941
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:20,880
potential ally i don't want to

1942
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,239
i don't you know i think

1943
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,080
every single person even the ones who

1944
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:27,759
are doing very bad things

1945
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,120
can see the error of their ways and and

1946
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:34,000
and turn towards uh spreading the truth

1947
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:35,279
i don't know if this is answering your

1948
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,679
question

1949
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,040
no you are directly answering that

1950
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,839
question and i agree so i agree

1951
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:42,080
that everyone has the potential to turn

1952
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,839
towards the light

1953
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:46,799
but i also think and like i just wrote

1954
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,159
this book why evil matters

1955
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:50,400
and we're now talking about this book

1956
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:53,359
and the point of the book is that

1957
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,600
we have to ask ourself why

1958
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,719
how this evil thing works and it it it

1959
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,880
has to be more than just

1960
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,279
our answer of just i'm all about uh look

1961
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,719
to the light the secret of these scent

1962
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:08,400
is to always look up i'm always about

1963
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:09,440
that

1964
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,560
we have to understand i interviewed this

1965
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,239
guy his prominent book is

1966
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:16,159
a clinical psychologist from grand

1967
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:17,440
rapids michigan right so he's just

1968
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,400
working with patients

1969
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,159
i'm afraid of spiders help me i'm afraid

1970
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,759
of the water

1971
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,040
starts interviewing people and they have

1972
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:25,440
satanic ritual abuse in their background

1973
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,480
from when they're a kid

1974
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,759
you know you're four years old you're

1975
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:29,359
getting satanically ritual abused

1976
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,870
of a hell of a way to come up but

1977
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:36,480
there's an evil there

1978
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:39,679
that we need to understand

1979
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,199
beyond you know we need to understand

1980
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:45,120
the and you know the i always tell the

1981
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,319
story but tired of it

1982
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,640
the guy who wrote that book uh and the

1983
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:50,319
guy who's the clinical psychologist tom

1984
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,880
zinzer

1985
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,480
he reached out to me and he said alex

1986
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:54,400
you don't understand evil

1987
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:57,840
and darkness

1988
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,360
is just there it's like gravity and

1989
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:04,800
evil is our

1990
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:07,520
need to explore darkness at different

1991
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:08,320
times

1992
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:10,880
and so if the myths that you're talking

1993
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,600
about

1994
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:13,920
are engaged in that like you're saying

1995
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,800
they are

1996
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,520
then that's useful but i think it's also

1997
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:19,120
useful to understand on a practical

1998
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:19,760
level

1999
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,719
that people are having extended

2000
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,520
consciousness

2001
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,920
experiences with malevolent entities

2002
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:27,199
that want them to do

2003
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,800
bad things and they are being influenced

2004
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:32,159
in different ways and they're being

2005
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,120
influenced

2006
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,560
playing in on other planes so

2007
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,719
i don't need you to you know believe

2008
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:40,560
that or endorse that

2009
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:44,159
but i i equally don't need to believe or

2010
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:44,960
endorse

2011
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,320
you know a a different belief about how

2012
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:50,400
you know people are processing that and

2013
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,600
every we have no

2014
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:54,159
everyone can be an ally it's like i kind

2015
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:55,600
of think that some people in their

2016
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,080
current

2017
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:58,320
where they're at are just from a

2018
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,440
practical standpoint

2019
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,040
are not going to be allies and as a

2020
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,360
matter of fact i think if we see

2021
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:06,239
them as allies i think that's a kind of

2022
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:06,640
a

2023
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,440
consciousness so

2024
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:20,080
potentially you know it's just all our

2025
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,880
social cons

2026
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:22,800
no there's people out there so like

2027
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,719
we're talking about the covet i mean

2028
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,320
there's an agenda there and the people

2029
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:28,719
are running it are not nice

2030
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:31,600
people but they are spiritual people

2031
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,960
they just haven't

2032
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,480
connected if you want to say you know

2033
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,000
they haven't connected that part

2034
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,400
that's fine but i think we have to look

2035
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:40,080
at what they've done

2036
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,440
and that's the history that we're

2037
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,600
talking about yeah i don't disagree with

2038
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:45,199
any of that alex i don't i don't

2039
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,480
disagree with any of that and

2040
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,719
and i'm i'm certainly not uh sugar

2041
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,719
coating the ex i mean

2042
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,640
you know i talk about i talk about a lot

2043
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,320
of bad things in that book

2044
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:56,640
and you know you talk about abusing

2045
01:12:03,510 --> 01:11:57,520
children

2046
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:05,350
and it's not and we shouldn't call it

2047
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:06,880
pedophile either because the

2048
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:10,239
root of that is like you know love it's

2049
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:13,840
molestation abuse you know

2050
01:12:19,510 --> 01:12:17,120
uh rape so um

2051
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,520
and it's systematic and it's been

2052
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:20,960
systematically covered up

2053
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:23,840
so i'm not denying any of that and i

2054
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,520
would say that is connected to this

2055
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:27,280
story as well i don't

2056
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,520
you know go down that path

2057
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,840
i don't tend to gravitate towards

2058
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,600
talking about that but i talk about

2059
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:38,080
nazi germany in that book and i talk

2060
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:39,360
about

2061
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,719
that were done

2062
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,000
it to the native americans to in

2063
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:53,440
central america in india

2064
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:57,920
i mean enroll still going on yeah

2065
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:01,679
so so yeah i mean

2066
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,520
the the the the the problem of evil is

2067
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,640
certainly

2068
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,640
and the myths don't deny that i mean the

2069
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:09,679
myths are actually

2070
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,040
very brutal and um

2071
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:16,159
explicit and bizarre in many ways

2072
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,520
and you have gods who are capricious

2073
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,520
and you have gods who are malevolent and

2074
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:22,800
you have gods who just

2075
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,760
you've got you know just going to the

2076
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,360
greek myths which are very familiar to a

2077
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:29,199
lot of people you've got

2078
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,560
athena and she is a war goddess in

2079
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,320
in a sense she wears a helmet she's got

2080
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:35,679
a spear she's for

2081
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:38,960
justice and then there's ares and he's a

2082
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:39,760
war god

2083
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:43,520
and he's completely different he's like

2084
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,040
who can i stab in the guts right now

2085
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,040
because i just feel like seeing some

2086
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,360
intestines flow out right now i'm in

2087
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,360
that kind of a mood right now

2088
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,600
it's a completely different and athena

2089
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:56,080
is always getting angry with ares

2090
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,520
and they're you know they're constantly

2091
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:59,040
kind of bringing their battles in front

2092
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:00,320
of zeus

2093
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:03,679
but there are malevolent uh entities

2094
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,120
throughout the myths and and uh

2095
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:09,280
you know i've i've written you know you

2096
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,320
mentioned my blog

2097
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:12,000
i've now been doing it for over 10 years

2098
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:13,520
there's over 1300

2099
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,040
posts and there's one in there where i'm

2100
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,520
talking about there's this um

2101
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,080
a gentleman who who channels the guides

2102
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,239
and he's so able to he says it's so fast

2103
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:23,679
he's talking so fast he's hearing it

2104
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:24,239
from

2105
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:28,159
outside himself or inside himself

2106
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:31,120
and and the answer i say is i don't know

2107
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,320
but actually i don't think

2108
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,400
it matters the gods work their way out

2109
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,320
through men and women

2110
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,159
whether they're external or internal

2111
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:40,239
whether whether athena is inside of

2112
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:41,600
odysseus's head when she's

2113
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:44,560
talking to him or she's you know in a

2114
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:51,110
i'm not the expert on that i can show

2115
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,840
you that the

2116
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,440
myths are based on the stars so they're

2117
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:55,120
not literal they're talking about

2118
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,480
metaphor

2119
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,920
i do believe that they're talking about

2120
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,360
the infinite realm and that's one of the

2121
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:01,040
reasons they use the stars

2122
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,480
when we're looking up into the stars

2123
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:05,040
we're looking into an infinite realm

2124
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,239
and they're using the visible aspects

2125
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,320
to paint a picture about invisible

2126
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:12,480
truths that's all going on

2127
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:16,000
i've talked about that extensively so um

2128
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,760
i do think it would be good to show you

2129
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,760
know just i don't know if

2130
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:21,840
we're at the end of the show but uh to

2131
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:23,679
show some of the actual

2132
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,719
to show what was lost and we can jump

2133
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,840
into josephus

2134
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,199
at any point but i would like to just

2135
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,960
show because it'll show when we talk

2136
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,400
about mithraism

2137
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,000
then you'll have a framework to put it

2138
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,719
into when i say that's all celestial

2139
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,560
that was imposed by people who

2140
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,640
understood this ancient system

2141
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,080
at the same time they're smashing the

2142
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,159
ancient system they're using it for

2143
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,000
their benefit

2144
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:48,400
and and it'll make sense if i show you

2145
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:49,360
the slides

2146
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,640
because then then people can go aha

2147
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:54,480
everything that let me go back and start

2148
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:55,760
again at the beginning because now what

2149
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:57,120
he's saying makes sense that it's all

2150
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,920
based on the star

2151
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,920
and i'm going to share my screen i'll

2152
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,199
move through this kind of fast because i

2153
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,800
know you want to get to some josephus

2154
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,560
but this

2155
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,120
really helps and i chose some things

2156
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,560
from ancient greece for you

2157
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,120
but this is actually a maya cup i

2158
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:12,880
started with a maya cup this is

2159
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,480
i think so powerful this was brought to

2160
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,000
my attention by someone commenting on

2161
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,440
one of my youtube videos

2162
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,199
it said hey this this maya cup looks

2163
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,040
like it's got the same thing going on

2164
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:25,360
i see in my animation i didn't get rid

2165
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,239
of that one

2166
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,400
line sorry i'll get to that later but

2167
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,920
there's all the data you can see this in

2168
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:31,920
the metropolitan museum of art in new

2169
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,640
york city

2170
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,840
this is from the seventh and eighth

2171
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:35,920
century a d and or c

2172
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:38,960
e if you prefer from maya this is a

2173
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:42,000
rain god whose name is chalk he's a rain

2174
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,360
god of the maya he's

2175
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,280
well known they have you know glyphs

2176
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,960
that say his name so we know that that's

2177
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,520
chalk

2178
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:50,080
look at his posture he's got a lunge

2179
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,600
posture rear heel raised

2180
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,800
i'm just going to go through it really

2181
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,640
fast some people have heard this before

2182
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,199
but

2183
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,120
it's really powerful when you see it

2184
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:58,800
he's holding a weapon

2185
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:00,320
this weapon is kind of over his back

2186
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,840
it's an axe i draw an

2187
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,600
arrow to it that squiggly line is

2188
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,280
supposed to come in later i apologize

2189
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,800
that it's still there on the screen

2190
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,159
that's my drawing it's not in the

2191
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,239
artwork he's also got

2192
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,159
another arm there's one over his back

2193
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,920
with a weapon this case an axe

2194
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,199
other one's reaching forward it's

2195
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:17,199
actually grasping this circular kind of

2196
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:17,600
disc

2197
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:20,320
thing then he's also got this loin cloth

2198
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,840
that he's wearing around his waist

2199
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,679
and there's this long tuft that kind of

2200
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,360
comes out i've

2201
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:27,600
circled it there but that's that tuft

2202
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:29,440
right there at the end is important

2203
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:32,960
just note that here's

2204
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,679
just moving really quickly obviously

2205
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,760
artwork from a different culture

2206
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,760
a different century a different

2207
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:41,760
continent this is ancient greece

2208
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:44,239
this is zeus the great god zeus we know

2209
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,040
it's zeus

2210
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,520
the ancient artist or at least the

2211
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:48,640
ancient artist's

2212
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:52,159
friend who could write zeus has written

2213
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:53,840
the name there so we know it's zeus look

2214
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:55,840
at the same posture we've got

2215
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:58,320
and this is from 540 bc or thereabouts

2216
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:58,960
we've got

2217
01:18:02,070 --> 01:18:01,360
again the rear this big lunge rear heel

2218
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,080
raised

2219
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,920
he's got one arm over his head holding a

2220
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,600
weapon in this case it's a thunderbolt

2221
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,440
but he's also got this outstretched

2222
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:09,440
front arm

2223
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:12,159
zeus's son hercules almost always

2224
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:12,719
depicted

2225
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:16,719
in this posture same rear heel and

2226
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,679
weapon over head this case the vase kind

2227
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:21,199
of curves away so you can't see

2228
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,400
exactly what he's wielding but it's

2229
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:23,760
probably his favorite weapon which is a

2230
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,320
club

2231
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:26,400
and he's got this outstretched arm and

2232
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:27,760
it's near

2233
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,640
the crest he's fighting the amazon

2234
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,679
warrior women

2235
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:34,000
in this one of his 12 labors of hercules

2236
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:34,719
but you see

2237
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:37,360
grasping or nearly grasping something

2238
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:40,000
kind of circular or semicircular

2239
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,360
and look at that little tail on his i

2240
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:45,440
put one more arrow you see that tail

2241
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:47,840
of his lion's skin hercules is almost

2242
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,159
always depicted in a lion skin with a

2243
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,239
thing over his head see the tuft of the

2244
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,320
lion's tail right there

2245
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,520
notice the similarity to chalk

2246
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,840
and i'll show it again here's one more

2247
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:01,120
of hercules

2248
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,440
this time he's in a different battle but

2249
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,640
he's got that rear heel

2250
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,719
raised he's got one arm holding the

2251
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:08,480
weapon over his back

2252
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,679
in this case uh there's that lion's tail

2253
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,719
with a little tuft

2254
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:14,640
it's pretty it's kind of like artsy

2255
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:16,159
looking this is kind of looks almost

2256
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:16,640
like

2257
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:19,679
art deco period of ancient greece but in

2258
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,040
this case hercules is actually grasping

2259
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,120
the crest of his opponent's helmet i'm

2260
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:26,400
going to blow it up so that people can

2261
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,040
see it

2262
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,400
on their screen a little bit bigger

2263
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:32,239
there's the same painting you can see

2264
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:34,000
his hand right there

2265
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:35,760
grasping the crest can you see that his

2266
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,080
hand is grasping the crest look at chalk

2267
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,640
he's grasping a disc look at hercules

2268
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:41,840
he's grasping

2269
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,280
a crest why because

2270
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,480
this is the constellation hercules sorry

2271
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,679
that squiggly line

2272
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,280
is not part of the constellation that's

2273
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:53,040
supposed to come in as a big reveal

2274
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:54,880
later but my animation

2275
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:57,679
skills somehow missed that um but this

2276
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:58,159
is the

2277
01:20:01,350 --> 01:19:59,600
constellation the outline of the

2278
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:01,360
constellation called

2279
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,960
hercules in the sky

2280
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:06,239
actually looks a little like curious

2281
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:09,360
george this is the h.a ray

2282
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:17,110
near hercules there's this beautiful arc

2283
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:20,800
called the northern crown but in

2284
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:23,280
latin it's actually called corona that's

2285
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:25,360
corona borealis the northern crown the

2286
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,400
crown of the north

2287
01:20:30,070 --> 01:20:28,080
look at where it is in rel look at

2288
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:30,080
hercules he's got the rear heel he's got

2289
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:31,679
the lunge posture he's got a weapon over

2290
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,320
one side

2291
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,639
he's reaching out with the other hand

2292
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,159
and the other hand could be envisioned

2293
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:37,840
as grasping

2294
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:40,000
corona borealis now let's go back to

2295
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,360
chalk see

2296
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,920
look i didn't i didn't change the

2297
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,000
outline of hercules i and change

2298
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,800
chalk on the maya cup that was found in

2299
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,880
the americas nowhere near greece

2300
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:52,080
and i could show you this from around

2301
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:53,360
the world i could show you this from

2302
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:53,920
india

2303
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,880
with their reign god indra who wields

2304
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,719
the vajra weapon which is like

2305
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,880
zeus's thunderbolt zeus is also a storm

2306
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:02,159
god chalk

2307
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,520
is a storm guy look at what he's

2308
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:05,440
grasping he's grasping the northern

2309
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,080
crown

2310
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:08,400
and by the way there's this very bright

2311
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,199
star

2312
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,199
named vega that's what the squiggly line

2313
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:13,360
is pointing to that's the tuft

2314
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:17,120
of hercules tail that's the the tuft

2315
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,800
of choc's uh loincloth

2316
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,320
i'm going fast but hopefully this makes

2317
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,320
sense to people that is the star

2318
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,920
vegas the fifth brightest star in the

2319
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:27,840
sky it's that it's right there next to

2320
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:28,719
hercules

2321
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,159
and this beautiful piece of artwork i'm

2322
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:34,000
gonna get now we're gonna go to josephus

2323
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,520
in a second i know you're

2324
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:37,120
chomping at the bit to get to josephus

2325
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,719
and maybe we have to save some of it for

2326
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,080
another time but this

2327
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:42,480
was only found in 2017 this is called

2328
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,679
the pilos

2329
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,840
combat agate it was found in pilos on

2330
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,159
the western peloponnese in greece

2331
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:51,280
but it's from a tomb that was sealed up

2332
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:52,400
and undisturbed

2333
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,840
since 1500 bc it's very ancient this is

2334
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,520
way before classical greece which was

2335
01:22:03,110 --> 01:21:59,440
like 500 bc

2336
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:03,120
um this is

2337
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,480
the tomb was sealed up in 1 500 bc who

2338
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,560
knows when this pilos agate was made it

2339
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,320
could have been made 100 or 200 years

2340
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,840
before that for all we know it's only

2341
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,840
3.5 centimeters wide which

2342
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,600
i could spend an hour talking about look

2343
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,120
at the detail

2344
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,960
how did they do this but let's look at

2345
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,159
the celestial elements

2346
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:22,560
we've got an exaggerated lunge posture

2347
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,679
very clearly

2348
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:26,239
we've got the raised heel we've got the

2349
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,040
old sword

2350
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:29,600
or weapon arm over the back and then

2351
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,480
we've got

2352
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,400
the other arm reaching out and what's it

2353
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:34,560
doing it's grasping

2354
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:37,600
another circular crest of a helmet

2355
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,120
that they've put onto this amazing piece

2356
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:41,440
of art which was only uncovered in 2017

2357
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:42,719
they found this tomb

2358
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:44,960
but it's corona boreal there's no doubt

2359
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:45,760
in my mind

2360
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:49,440
that this is based on the stars because

2361
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:52,000
i've seen it a million times before 2017

2362
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:53,679
i had already pointed this out and then

2363
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,239
this thing gets uncovered in 2017

2364
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:58,480
and by the way do you see that this

2365
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,360
warrior who's

2366
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:01,440
about to stab the other warrior has a

2367
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,800
sword

2368
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,520
scabbard on his waist with a pommel

2369
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:06,960
right there

2370
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:10,000
see that bulb of a pommel that's

2371
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:12,560
indicating the position of vega again

2372
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:13,040
that

2373
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:16,400
the stars are all in the right places

2374
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:20,159
this is clearly based on the stars and

2375
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:21,360
you could say but that doesn't mean the

2376
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,880
bible is based on the stars the bible

2377
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:24,080
doesn't have pictures it's

2378
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,760
text all the things that they're

2379
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:27,600
describing the bible can be shown

2380
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,560
to be using this same system this system

2381
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,199
is worldwide i just showed you in

2382
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,520
you know the maya and in greece and i

2383
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:36,880
could show you from egypt i could show

2384
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,040
you from mesopotamia it is worldwide

2385
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,280
and it's all through the bible this is a

2386
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:43,280
shared system that should actually

2387
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,480
unite us all um but it's the literalist

2388
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,000
christianity so how did

2389
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,600
let's oh that's that's what happened to

2390
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,679
my squiggly thing so let me just

2391
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:53,760
this is go beckley tepe i'm just going

2392
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,840
to put it up on the timeline

2393
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,480
as it was deliberately buried not later

2394
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,480
than 8000 bc only recently uncovered i

2395
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,000
just want to put a framework together

2396
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,600
and then we'll get into what happened

2397
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,360
that's what's been lost

2398
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:07,840
when did it get lost roman period we've

2399
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:09,040
already been talking about that for an

2400
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:09,600
hour

2401
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,080
here's ancient egypt it's like

2402
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,880
civilization emerges out of nowhere

2403
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,360
around 3500 bc in places like

2404
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,000
mesopotamia in places like ancient india

2405
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:22,560
ancient mesopotamia ancient china in the

2406
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,400
americas there was stuff going on in

2407
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:26,080
this time period as graham hancock has

2408
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:26,800
recently

2409
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,080
shown evidence advanced things going on

2410
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,120
and then there's the roman period this

2411
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,520
is marcus aurelius who i think is

2412
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,760
like one of the last good guys frankly

2413
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,159
there's marcus aurelius 121-180

2414
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,080
that's the father of commodus that you

2415
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:44,239
see in that movie

2416
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:47,760
commodus was according to the theory

2417
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:48,159
that i

2418
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:52,400
originally proposed by flavio barbaro

2419
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,120
he's a

2420
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,159
italian retired admiral he's written a

2421
01:25:02,470 --> 01:24:58,000
whole 500 page book about this

2422
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,480
theory of josephus and commodus

2423
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,159
who may or may not have killed his

2424
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,199
father marcus aurelius was the first

2425
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:10,800
soul invictus mithras practitioner

2426
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:13,920
who got into the

2427
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:16,400
office of emperor so just i'll stop in

2428
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,120
one second

2429
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,400
and pause i think there was a time

2430
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,960
at a very ancient time there's very

2431
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,639
ancient wisdom whenever this system was

2432
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:26,239
set up

2433
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,560
i think there was quite likely a

2434
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,400
catastrophe you know you hear people

2435
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,760
talk about the

2436
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:33,840
comet impact theory younger dryas impact

2437
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:36,800
theory or robert shock talks about

2438
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:40,159
extreme solar storm like a coronal mass

2439
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,280
ejection

2440
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:43,600
or or solar activity that wipes out

2441
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:44,400
whatever

2442
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,600
created this system and then

2443
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,120
humanity almost basically goes

2444
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,120
underground or lives in caves for a long

2445
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:53,520
time and then it just re-emerges

2446
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:56,480
in the time of egypt mesopotamia ancient

2447
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,040
india

2448
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,679
etc and i call that ancient wisdom so

2449
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,040
there's something even before because

2450
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:03,120
this was already fully formed

2451
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,719
in the myths of india already fully

2452
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,400
formed in the midst of ancient egypt

2453
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,639
so it came from somewhere before i'm

2454
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,560
just laying out kind of i think the

2455
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,080
timeline was

2456
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,400
there was a catastrophe probably a

2457
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:16,800
natural catastrophe a comet or something

2458
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,679
that wiped it out then civilizations

2459
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:21,360
arose that still remembered it

2460
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,719
they still had pieces of it ancient

2461
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:24,719
greece obviously still had pieces of it

2462
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:27,920
but then there was another catastrophe

2463
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,360
in the roman period and since then

2464
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,440
this ancient even the ancient wisdom

2465
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,800
whatever was left over after the

2466
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:35,760
catastrophe

2467
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:38,480
has been forgotten or deliberately

2468
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,280
stamped out

2469
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:41,199
that kind of breaks it into three pieces

2470
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:44,560
which i think is a helpful framework

2471
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,840
so i interviewed a guy a few i don't

2472
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:49,679
know probably a year ago at this point

2473
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:52,880
his name is bruce fenton fantastic

2474
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,520
love him and his and his wife too

2475
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,280
together wrote this book and

2476
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:01,199
they have some really good um evidence

2477
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:05,679
for uh 780 000 years ago

2478
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,480
yeah i've heard that yeah and it's it's

2479
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,400
it's really good he has the tektites

2480
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:12,239
and and then he has the genetic

2481
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:13,520
information

2482
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:17,040
and he has all the rest of that so

2483
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,960
that's like a stake in the ground for me

2484
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:23,280
i look at his work spent a lot of time

2485
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,080
work looking at

2486
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,400
his work spent a lot of time putting the

2487
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:28,800
the movie together and that whole thing

2488
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:32,080
very solid how you look at it 780 000

2489
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,280
years ago

2490
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,840
so that that doesn't so when i hear

2491
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:37,120
people talk about when i hear you talk

2492
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:38,960
about

2493
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:42,080
what is it yeah go back to teppy i

2494
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:42,719
always

2495
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,840
ah great how does that fit in the 780

2496
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:48,719
000 year

2497
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:51,600
kind of thing and similarly when i hear

2498
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:52,159
you know

2499
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,000
like ah

2500
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:58,000
i don't know a lot of different people

2501
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:59,199
you know a lot of people don't like

2502
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:00,800
genghis khan some people in some parts

2503
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:02,239
of the world love genghis khan you know

2504
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:03,600
it's a

2505
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:06,000
there's a lot of different going on

2506
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:06,639
you know

2507
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:09,440
at any time and it's like this should

2508
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:12,480
unite us all when you say that it's like

2509
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,719
i don't i don't come to that same

2510
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:15,679
conclusion

2511
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:19,520
leading

2512
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:22,800
rich spiritual lives that are meaningful

2513
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:23,679
to us

2514
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:26,639
and that the people who are you know

2515
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:29,600
involved in a satanic ritual abuse cult

2516
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,239
in grand rapids michigan who are abusing

2517
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,719
their four-year-old kids

2518
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:37,199
i don't know what their spirituality is

2519
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:39,280
but i believe that they're on some

2520
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,920
sort of spiritual journey and maybe some

2521
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,040
point in their life

2522
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:45,520
in this lifetime they will like we're

2523
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,400
saying you know

2524
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,120
look up see the light and be transformed

2525
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:51,120
or maybe they won't and maybe

2526
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,199
their children will or maybe they won't

2527
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:54,880
so i'm just not

2528
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,920
willing to i i just not willing to

2529
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,199
accept

2530
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:01,280
it should be meaningful to all of us it

2531
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:02,880
should pull all of us together

2532
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,080
i don't it sounds good but i don't

2533
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:09,040
know if that is true or it isn't true i

2534
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:11,120
just got done interviewing two of the

2535
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:11,840
top

2536
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:14,000
in history near-death experience

2537
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,199
researchers

2538
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:17,520
bruce grace and jeff long and i'm

2539
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:18,560
interviewing another

2540
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:21,679
nde guy that

2541
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,800
that everybody knows evan alexander go

2542
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,639
look at the near-death experience

2543
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,800
research and the database that

2544
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,400
put together all the counts that have

2545
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,840
been put together and

2546
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,440
have been reviewed medically and all the

2547
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:35,360
rest that i think it's

2548
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,480
enormously significant for

2549
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:41,120
what we're saying about it's about love

2550
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:42,639
it's about forgiveness

2551
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:45,040
it's about compassion that's what it's

2552
01:29:48,430 --> 01:29:46,000
about

2553
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:48,440
but people have very different

2554
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:49,679
experiences

2555
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:52,400
in their journey there and it sure looks

2556
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,520
and then go talk to

2557
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,199
gregory shushan who's looked at

2558
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:56,960
near-death experiences across culture

2559
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,639
across time as best he could

2560
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,800
600 years ago 500 years ago his

2561
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,120
conclusion is near-death experiences

2562
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:05,440
are the foundation for all afterlife

2563
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,159
beliefs

2564
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:08,880
because there's the same thread in all

2565
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:09,600
of them

2566
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,800
so i'm down with everything that you're

2567
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:14,320
saying i'm just not down with your

2568
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:15,920
conclusions about it i'm not

2569
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:18,239
against your conclusions about it but i

2570
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:19,040
i just

2571
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,159
i'm not willing to say oh okay

2572
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:24,400
that's the answer what i want to do is

2573
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:25,600
keep pulling on

2574
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:29,840
the threads and look at you know

2575
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:33,440
pull apart what what happened as best we

2576
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:35,920
could realizing that we're we're all

2577
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:37,840
disadvantaged in the vantage point that

2578
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,960
we're looking at it for

2579
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,880
because you know that's the other thing

2580
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:42,480
you know the last point that i'll stop

2581
01:30:46,830 --> 01:30:43,040
my

2582
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,840
long rant one of the things that your

2583
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:48,480
work

2584
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,000
teaches us that

2585
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,800
we can never fully grock you know we can

2586
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:56,880
never fully get there

2587
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:00,719
is that we are by our nature

2588
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:04,239
unable to understand this because

2589
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,280
we it's telling us that there is a much

2590
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,440
greater in every you know near-death

2591
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,800
experience is telling us this

2592
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,320
alien abduction is telling us all these

2593
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:14,239
suddenly there's an expanded

2594
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:15,360
consciousness

2595
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:17,760
and you're not there yeah you're on the

2596
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:18,800
other side of it

2597
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,400
and yet we all want to look and that's

2598
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:22,400
our human nature we want to look and try

2599
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,320
and understand the best we can

2600
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:26,960
but what i hear over and over again is

2601
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:27,600
you're not

2602
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:29,600
you know you're kind of like the dog you

2603
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:30,719
know who i just

2604
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,560
the foster dog we have out there who's

2605
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:34,960
wonderful and she's beautiful but

2606
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:38,639
she doesn't really get me you know fully

2607
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,760
what do you think about any of that

2608
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,040
since we just kind of go all over the

2609
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:43,280
place well dogs definitely don't process

2610
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:44,000
exactly the same

2611
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:51,510
i'm not going to argue about some of

2612
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:54,400
those some of those points

2613
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:56,800
look what i what i often say is i can

2614
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:57,440
prove

2615
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:00,239
that the myths are based on the stars i

2616
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:01,760
think i just showed some evidence that

2617
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,280
you know if people maybe

2618
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:05,280
if i went too fast they can watch it if

2619
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:06,560
you slow it down

2620
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:08,800
maybe and say what did he just say what

2621
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,600
star was that

2622
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:12,400
hmm okay but that evidence is pretty

2623
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:13,440
powerful

2624
01:32:26,149 --> 01:32:22,550
what it means i have opinions about that

2625
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:26,159
i don't have i'm not a you know

2626
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:30,000
a guru or uh privy to

2627
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:31,920
i don't hold myself up as an ascended

2628
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:33,679
master who's been given some

2629
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:36,880
special knowledge to now proclaim to you

2630
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,239
um i've got some

2631
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:42,080
opinions about where it came from and

2632
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:43,600
what happened but

2633
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:45,280
could it have come from i have heard

2634
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:47,360
bruce fenton on uh podcasts

2635
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,440
uh interviewed and talking about his

2636
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:50,800
research um

2637
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:54,719
i haven't examined it myself but um

2638
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,679
could when i say the very ancient wisdom

2639
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,120
how far back does that go

2640
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:01,199
and where exactly did it come from and

2641
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:02,800
we've talked about this in our previous

2642
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,400
uh episode i don't know i can show you

2643
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:08,480
that the myths are based on the stars

2644
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,199
what does it mean i don't know but i've

2645
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:13,199
got a lot of

2646
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,639
arguments as to what it means that i

2647
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:16,320
think are backed up by pretty good

2648
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:18,400
textual evidence pretty good

2649
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:21,679
interpretive of the myths evidence

2650
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:24,239
the part about this should unite us all

2651
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,120
what i'm

2652
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:27,360
i mean just to take it to its most

2653
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:29,199
simplest level what i'm talking about

2654
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:33,199
is literalist christianity has said

2655
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:36,719
our stories are based on history

2656
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,320
everything else is wrong and therefore

2657
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,080
you need to get rid of

2658
01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:44,400
what was given to you and adopt what

2659
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,239
we're telling you

2660
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:48,639
these stories were given to all cultures

2661
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:50,639
of the world whether that is intended to

2662
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:51,679
unite or

2663
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,320
not we could argue but we won't get

2664
01:33:58,470 --> 01:33:56,080
anywhere because i'm not an expert

2665
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:58,480
one way or the other i believe they're

2666
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:00,400
like an ancient treasure

2667
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:03,360
that is for our benefit that is to get

2668
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:04,159
us

2669
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:08,000
they show you

2670
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:09,760
and that is the biggest problem that we

2671
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:12,480
have that we are trying to

2672
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,840
find who we are i use that i use the

2673
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:18,719
point break where johnny is searching

2674
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,080
for something and

2675
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:22,800
bode point pokes him in the forehead and

2676
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,679
says you

2677
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:25,520
you you haven't figured it out yet have

2678
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:26,960
you

2679
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:37,040
there and he taps him in the

2680
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:40,239
third eye bump um that's what we're

2681
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:41,199
looking for

2682
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,040
to find ourself but to lose those

2683
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:49,600
anyway not to get too uh you know dive

2684
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,639
into the neighbor but

2685
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,480
but but i'm talking about it should

2686
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:54,480
unite us from this idea that

2687
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:58,080
one set of myths needs to go out and

2688
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,800
stamp out

2689
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,880
everybody else's inherited wisdom that

2690
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,719
they got and that has happened over the

2691
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,320
past 17 centuries

2692
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:06,560
and continues to go on and that's a

2693
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:07,840
problem because

2694
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:09,520
the myths of the maya are based on the

2695
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:11,040
exact same system as the

2696
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,080
stories in the bible and they both are

2697
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:15,840
actually telling you the same

2698
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,679
things just with different stories and

2699
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:19,360
characters and and

2700
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,960
they're absolutely pointing to the same

2701
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,560
truth as i would argue and so you don't

2702
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:24,239
need to get rid of any of them

2703
01:35:31,510 --> 01:35:27,760
do you know who michael aquino is

2704
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,520
yeah oh yeah the major aquino

2705
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:33,760
yeah major military guy i forgot that

2706
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:35,360
yeah i think he's a lieutenant colonel

2707
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:38,080
yeah he's now deceased yeah now deceased

2708
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:38,960
just recently

2709
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,360
and he was the head of the templar set

2710
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:42,880
he was a satanist

2711
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:46,239
he wrote the chaplain's manual for all

2712
01:35:49,350 --> 01:35:47,520
the chaplain

2713
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:49,360
if you're christian you're a muslim it's

2714
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:52,719
his a psyop guy from the beginning

2715
01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:54,880
he was in a serial serial abuser of

2716
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,719
children i think by pretty

2717
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:59,600
in most particular in the most horrific

2718
01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:00,960
horrific

2719
01:36:07,270 --> 01:36:04,239
way with uh in very very

2720
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:07,280
uh satanic way with you know

2721
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:10,719
alters and you know mixing in of all

2722
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:12,080
kinds of spiritual stuff

2723
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,119
and then abusing and probably we suspect

2724
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:17,760
killing kids but the evidence of his

2725
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:18,719
abuse is

2726
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:20,480
it's direct testimony to direct evidence

2727
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:21,760
against him and you know

2728
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,080
anyone can go do that so

2729
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:28,480
somebody tapped him on the forehead too

2730
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:31,119
and said you're trying to figure it out

2731
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:34,159
and he figured it out

2732
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:38,000
it was satan it was some evil

2733
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,320
benevolent being that guided him

2734
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:45,119
and it turns out his his mother was into

2735
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:45,600
it

2736
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:49,280
a different way and his grandfather

2737
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:50,560
committed suicide

2738
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,719
eventually slit his own throat and bled

2739
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:53,920
to death

2740
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:57,040
somebody tapped him on the forehead too

2741
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:58,239
it didn't have anything to do with the

2742
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,679
myths they weren't tied into them as

2743
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:00,880
they were on a different

2744
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:03,520
plane and a different thing so i don't

2745
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:05,679
know how all these things fit together

2746
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:10,320
but i just i just hate when it gets to

2747
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:13,119
like this is the way that we gotta we

2748
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:16,800
gotta look i mean i think it's like

2749
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,159
i don't know what influenced uh constant

2750
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:22,000
constantine is the figure you know

2751
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:24,080
if we ever get back that constantine's a

2752
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,040
great you know

2753
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:27,199
the great saint constantine you know the

2754
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:28,800
story i remember remind people

2755
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:32,159
constantine killed his son

2756
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:33,600
because he thought his son was

2757
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:36,400
his wife his wife said and said hey man

2758
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:38,239
dear sons i don't know how to keep him

2759
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:40,239
off me he's coming on to me all the time

2760
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:40,719
he's

2761
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:44,159
right there you know he kills him

2762
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,719
then he finds out that his wife and this

2763
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:48,480
is after he converted to christianity

2764
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:51,679
right right then he fight

2765
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,560
then he finds out that oh his wife

2766
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:55,600
actually made that

2767
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,000
up because she wanted her son from

2768
01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:00,080
another marriage to get in there and he

2769
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:02,080
was in the way

2770
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:05,360
so he kills her right which

2771
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,679
however he processed that but that is

2772
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:10,080
the founder of this

2773
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:12,880
cult that we have that you know the

2774
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:13,679
christian

2775
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,239
cult which just replaced the cult of

2776
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:18,480
mithras it's just an exact

2777
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,400
like carbon copy stick in the different

2778
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,400
pieces and wrap it up and call it

2779
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:25,679
something different

2780
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:27,520
the thing i learned from your book you

2781
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:30,400
know for 60 years

2782
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:33,280
in the the what the the what becomes the

2783
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:33,920
yeah

2784
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:39,760
let me react to what you said though

2785
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:44,000
first about michael aquino um

2786
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,520
so what i would point to and i point to

2787
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,639
it in the book but it's

2788
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,400
really one of my favorite examples and

2789
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,159
it's in the scriptures of

2790
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:55,119
first kings where solomon is on top of a

2791
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:56,719
mountain

2792
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:59,280
making sacrifices and they're pleasing

2793
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,320
to the almighty

2794
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:03,360
and god says solomon

2795
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:06,400
ask ask me anything what do you want

2796
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:09,280
whatever you want and solomon says you

2797
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:10,400
know i've been made

2798
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,440
king over these people

2799
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:15,520
so many people and yet i feel kind of

2800
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:16,639
like a little child

2801
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,600
in terms of my understanding i'm

2802
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,360
concerned that i'm screwing up right and

2803
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,280
left as i'm trying to judge these

2804
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:25,679
different cases that are brought to me

2805
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:28,000
give me a wise and understanding heart

2806
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:31,040
in order to judge the people rightly and

2807
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:32,400
the text says

2808
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:35,920
that response pleased the lord

2809
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:39,760
now pause we find that exact pattern

2810
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:42,719
in myths around the world we find king

2811
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,560
midas is asked by dionysus

2812
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:46,320
dionysus thanks for returning my

2813
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,719
drinking buddy to me when he got lost

2814
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,320
ask me anything what do you want what is

2815
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,310
i want everything i touch to turn to

2816
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,800
gold okay or we have um

2817
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,639
you know we have that pattern over and

2818
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:00,639
over um

2819
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,920
choose what you want and going back to

2820
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,119
the solomon incident

2821
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,159
god says the text says that

2822
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:10,400
answer pleased the lord and he said to

2823
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:12,080
solomon

2824
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,360
you could have asked for long life

2825
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,760
you could have asked for riches you

2826
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,280
could have asked for the life

2827
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:22,080
of your enemies it specifically says the

2828
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:23,600
life of your enemies

2829
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:26,159
but you ask for wisdom to help the

2830
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:26,960
people

2831
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:28,320
so i'm going to give you wisdom to help

2832
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:29,360
with the people and i'm also going to

2833
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:30,560
give you long life

2834
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:33,840
and riches now

2835
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:37,600
that implies that the you can go to

2836
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:41,040
the invisible realm or you can go to

2837
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:44,080
the what the myths are pointing towards

2838
01:40:47,830 --> 01:40:45,600
i would call it the other world the

2839
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:47,840
invisible world the inner world

2840
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:50,560
the dream time you can go there for many

2841
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:51,040
different

2842
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,920
from there and we see this pattern over

2843
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:54,800
and over what do you want

2844
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:55,760
what do you want from the invisible

2845
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,960
realm what do you want from the divine

2846
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:58,960
realm

2847
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,000
riches midas wrong choice

2848
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:04,320
turns out very badly for midas he has to

2849
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,760
eventually say i made the terrible

2850
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:07,600
choice can you please undo this choice

2851
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,320
i'm gonna die if i keep eating uh golden

2852
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,080
hot dogs they're gonna kill me

2853
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:15,119
so he undoes it the the

2854
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,760
the divine realm undoes it but solomon

2855
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:19,440
could have asked for the life of his

2856
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,440
enemies he could have used the divine

2857
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,280
realm

2858
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,440
for not just power over his enemies but

2859
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:27,360
to kill his enemies or to bring harm to

2860
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,000
them is what the text implies to me

2861
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:33,040
you can use it for different things but

2862
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,159
the correct

2863
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:36,480
thing is for wisdom in order to live up

2864
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:38,960
to your potential and to help others

2865
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,960
that's that's what solomon asked for he

2866
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:42,880
said i want wisdom not just so i can be

2867
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,520
the wisest

2868
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,119
person in the world but to help others

2869
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:48,000
with all the problems that they have

2870
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:51,520
so i would argue that what aquino was

2871
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:53,119
doing and i talk about it in this same

2872
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,560
book myth and trauma i talk about

2873
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:55,760
crowley

2874
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:59,280
self

2875
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:02,080
and he when he took on his magician

2876
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,199
persona

2877
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:06,239
he was taking on this other crowley was

2878
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:07,520
a very

2879
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,040
uh evil figure right and aquino was a

2880
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:13,199
very evil figure

2881
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,199
you can use this for different things

2882
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,280
but the original purpose is pretty

2883
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,400
clearly stated

2884
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:22,639
as it's for wisdom to help others it's

2885
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,280
not for chasing after riches midas

2886
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:27,440
come on midas figured out you're already

2887
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,639
the richest king in the world

2888
01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:30,639
why do you need more riches what's your

2889
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:32,480
problem what's wrong with you inside

2890
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,119
that you

2891
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:35,520
are still not satisfied as the king of

2892
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,320
phrygia

2893
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:38,560
who is already since you were a child it

2894
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:39,600
was predicted that you're going to be

2895
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:40,800
the richest man in the world and yet

2896
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:41,280
when

2897
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:43,119
i come to you and offer you anything you

2898
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:45,360
want to turn everything to gold

2899
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:47,760
okay have fun there's something wrong

2900
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,719
inside

2901
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:50,960
that you're still so insecure you need

2902
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,080
more gold

2903
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:55,280
so anyway that's my response to aquino

2904
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,480
uh

2905
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:58,800
being on a spiritual quest yeah and you

2906
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:01,199
can you can use it for the

2907
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,639
you can use it for those things but

2908
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:04,960
that's not the right thing and that's

2909
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:05,679
not the

2910
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,440
it because it's to

2911
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:12,000
destroy you like a destroyed midas you

2912
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,199
know one of the things

2913
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,040
one of the things i'm kind of keen on

2914
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,760
these days is to tell people that

2915
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:20,639
you know this amazing database of

2916
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:23,520
near-death experiences that dr jeff long

2917
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,760
has and his wife jody have compiled and

2918
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:27,040
they're medically reviewed and they're

2919
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,719
carefully done through this

2920
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,960
long survey that kind of weeds out it's

2921
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:32,639
a clean database i just did

2922
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:35,199
an extensive database i did an extensive

2923
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:36,400
interview with the guy and the main

2924
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,400
purpose the interview was to say is your

2925
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:40,239
data reliable are you filtering it are

2926
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:40,960
you in any way

2927
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,199
so it is it is i always tell people go

2928
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:48,320
google nderf

2929
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:49,679
near death experience research

2930
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,480
foundation love

2931
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:55,199
jesus god you know any of those things

2932
01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:56,320
anything you want

2933
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:00,480
but then go do crowley

2934
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:04,719
go do satan go do do without wilt

2935
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,760
go do magic go do all the it doesn't

2936
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,199
you know how much how many times that

2937
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:11,199
comes up zero

2938
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:14,239
love comes up all the time right over

2939
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:14,880
the top

2940
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,679
compassion comes up all the time

2941
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,400
forgiveness comes up all the time

2942
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:22,800
uh but so in a way you know we always

2943
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:24,560
give these ecclesiastic

2944
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:28,400
faiths no matter what we set out to do

2945
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,840
to me david it's a different

2946
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,560
there they are the near-death experience

2947
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:35,679
accounts are telling

2948
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:39,119
a slightly different story they're

2949
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:41,600
telling the difference of the story of

2950
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:42,560
truly

2951
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:45,760
all you have to do is seek love and

2952
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:46,800
compassion

2953
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:50,159
on one hand versus kind of your story

2954
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:51,679
has kind of a gnostic

2955
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:53,840
feel to it like there's this battle you

2956
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:55,119
know and there's these two kind of

2957
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:56,560
things

2958
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:58,159
the the near death experience accounts

2959
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,440
are really kind of saying something

2960
01:45:03,270 --> 01:45:01,679
different ah there's a battle but you

2961
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:03,280
really kind of created the whole battle

2962
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:04,800
you know it's just really all you have

2963
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,119
to do is just seek love in

2964
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:09,600
in everything you do and and we're

2965
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:11,119
actually in agreement on that but where

2966
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:11,840
we kind of

2967
01:45:15,750 --> 01:45:14,320
always slip up is that i don't think

2968
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:15,760
that captures

2969
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,360
what you just said i don't think that

2970
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:19,440
captures aquino

2971
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:22,639
aquino i guess it is yeah it is yeah

2972
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,400
and it's like you know i just watched

2973
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:28,480
uh and i'd hate even watching these

2974
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:29,440
things but somebody

2975
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:33,520
stuck into them on ted bundy

2976
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:35,520
and uh he's talking about his experience

2977
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:36,639
and him growing up

2978
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:39,600
and how he just had this kind of just a

2979
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:40,639
little

2980
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,800
almost understandable attraction to

2981
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:46,880
a certain kind of porn you know and it

2982
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,159
just kind of grew

2983
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:51,520
it became

2984
01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:54,000
what he felt was an entity inside of him

2985
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:55,600
a spiritual entity

2986
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:58,480
that was battling with his soul and well

2987
01:46:03,030 --> 01:45:59,760
we all know the

2988
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:03,040
story of what happens to that

2989
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:06,800
i'm just reluctant to

2990
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:09,040
you know i i don't i don't know what any

2991
01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:10,480
of these things mean

2992
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,040
so i'm just plowing ahead you're plowing

2993
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:14,560
ahead too i mean you do the same thing

2994
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:15,760
you're just plowing ahead with your

2995
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:17,199
thing

2996
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:18,639
like you just said it you know we'll

2997
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:20,239
wind up just well each mind i'm saying

2998
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:21,600
the same thing over again and i'm with

2999
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:21,920
you

3000
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:26,400
stars there's no way

3001
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:30,719
that that mayan thing completely matches

3002
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:31,840
the constellation

3003
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:34,880
hercules

3004
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,400
right which is like we're gonna have to

3005
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:42,239
curse the constellation alex come on

3006
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:44,480
yeah well it's the uh that's your

3007
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:46,000
christian

3008
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,360
lineage popping in there it's it's like

3009
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,360
it's from a completely different culture

3010
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,360
there's the name itself

3011
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:56,000
is all we have to say that guy matches

3012
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,360
up to the constellation

3013
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:58,800
and the constellation has gotten the

3014
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,880
name hercules i mean

3015
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:02,880
it's there's no end of story in terms of

3016
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,920
your whole thing no doubt

3017
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:05,600
and so it's interesting that you said

3018
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:07,600
i'm i feel kind of gnostic and

3019
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:09,440
and the the part that we that you kind

3020
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:11,040
of started off on of all you need is

3021
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:12,159
love you know i am not

3022
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:15,280
actually saying let's just um

3023
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:17,600
connect with our higher self and kind of

3024
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:19,440
meditate and

3025
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:21,440
you know the aquinos of the world or

3026
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:23,360
kinos will do their thing

3027
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:26,080
i actually believe that things have gone

3028
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:27,760
very wrong

3029
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:32,000
that that people who want to inflict

3030
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:33,119
trauma

3031
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:34,960
you know you can you can build a society

3032
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:37,840
that's less traumatic or more traumatic

3033
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,320
and there are people who want to

3034
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:42,400
deliberately inflict trauma and i think

3035
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:44,400
those people need to be stopped and i

3036
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:45,679
think they are

3037
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:47,440
they've they've gotten control of the

3038
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:49,520
levers of a lot of

3039
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:51,600
places including you know look we had a

3040
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:53,360
lot of assassinations in this country

3041
01:47:58,229 --> 01:47:55,840
including of an elected president

3042
01:47:59,510 --> 01:47:58,239
and then robert f kennedy his brother

3043
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,520
when he was about to

3044
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,600
get the nomination and was for sure

3045
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,960
going to become the president and he got

3046
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:04,239
assassinated too

3047
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:07,360
you have the levers of power being

3048
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:09,360
he didn't stop there right it's reagan

3049
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,960
that reagan was attempted

3050
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:12,480
you know that he got the message and

3051
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:13,920
then you know the story i always had to

3052
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:14,480
people is

3053
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:15,600
jimmy carter remember when they

3054
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:18,800
attempted him and the uh assassins were

3055
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:21,280
i want to get this right it's like

3056
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:22,480
something harvey

3057
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,560
and oswald this and that they took the

3058
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,320
two the cia said

3059
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:28,400
hey we figured out who the two assassins

3060
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:29,760
were and if you just take the

3061
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:32,560
two names together they were uh harvey

3062
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,679
oswald like

3063
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:36,000
get the message here were pulling and

3064
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:37,040
then uh

3065
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:38,800
uh carter comes out and says i've lost

3066
01:48:42,629 --> 01:48:40,639
control of the government after that so

3067
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,639
just to add to your that that is the

3068
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:43,920
same group so

3069
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:47,520
it is yes so i would say you know

3070
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:50,719
we have to um we have to work on our own

3071
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:53,760
individual getting in getting in touch

3072
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,480
with ourself

3073
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:56,239
get re reconnecting with who we are

3074
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:57,520
because that's

3075
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:59,679
a huge part of our mission but there's

3076
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:00,800
also

3077
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:03,280
people who are inflicting trauma on the

3078
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:04,239
world

3079
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:08,400
that are enemies of humanity that need

3080
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:09,280
to be stopped

3081
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,199
so you know i'm not just gnostic

3082
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,679
withdrawing to withdraw into a hermitage

3083
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:17,119
i think that these are

3084
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:19,760
things that the people need to i believe

3085
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:20,159
in

3086
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:23,840
power to all the people

3087
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,599
so um uh

3088
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,119
i was gonna i was gonna add one other

3089
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,760
thing on there but this is a story that

3090
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,440
has to do with the taking away of what

3091
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:36,880
belongs what's given

3092
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:39,599
was given to the people in their ancient

3093
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:40,159
myths

3094
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:42,159
and the resources of the gods that are

3095
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:43,440
given to the people

3096
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,119
the people that are born into the land

3097
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:46,719
are allowed to be born into the land by

3098
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:47,360
the people

3099
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,599
this is the story of the the

3100
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:51,840
collaborators the conspirators against

3101
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,800
that

3102
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:55,440
okay we're uh hour and 49 minutes in

3103
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,639
let's tell them what

3104
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:59,280
let's no no no let's so now is now we've

3105
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,800
set the stage

3106
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:02,239
yeah let's tell them tell them what

3107
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,159
happened tell them oh you want

3108
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:07,040
you want to you want to drive on yes i

3109
01:50:11,589 --> 01:50:08,639
want to but i want you to do it in

3110
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:11,599
10 minutes i want you to tell them tell

3111
01:50:15,589 --> 01:50:12,880
them what happened

3112
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:15,599
tell them how they did it tell them the

3113
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:16,000
the

3114
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,000
and how josephus played a role in it and

3115
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,920
especially let me let me let me do it

3116
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:27,920
with some visuals too and i'll keep it

3117
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:31,440
to under 10 minutes visual aid is good

3118
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,199
visual aids better yeah all right of

3119
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:35,040
course whatever whatever you want

3120
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,400
all right let me share a screen all

3121
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:38,639
right so here's titus arch

3122
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:41,760
in rome arch of titus

3123
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:44,560
81 ce built by his younger brother who

3124
01:50:48,550 --> 01:50:46,239
whom you've already mentioned domitian

3125
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:48,560
after do you think the mission killed

3126
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,000
him

3127
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,800
i don't know um i i don't know i'm

3128
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,000
agnostic on that one

3129
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:56,480
but uh titus just just so people know

3130
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:57,440
just people know

3131
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:00,880
titus said i only made one mistake

3132
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,840
and that was there was a there was a a

3133
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,800
plot

3134
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:06,320
and it was tied to his brother and

3135
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:08,080
instead of killing his brother domitian

3136
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,719
he banished him and then a year later he

3137
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:12,239
gets assassin he said i only made one

3138
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:13,360
mistake

3139
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,880
it's compelling there was a lot of

3140
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,480
assassinations going on

3141
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,159
uh you know we just mentioned a couple

3142
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:20,560
in the united states and you can add

3143
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,840
martin luther king in there

3144
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:24,080
and you can add malcolm x you can add

3145
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:25,760
fred hampton

3146
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:27,760
and i would say that that same pattern

3147
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:29,199
there's a reason why that pattern is

3148
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:30,400
connected

3149
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,719
and the use of assassination obviously

3150
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:34,239
it's worldwide but this is this

3151
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:38,239
group uh does it a lot so

3152
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:40,400
arch of titus i've got a slide with all

3153
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:42,080
the roman emperors to just put it in the

3154
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:42,800
people's

3155
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,199
perspective but i started here you can

3156
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,119
see on the inside of the archetype

3157
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,840
right here this is the sack of jerusalem

3158
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,960
this is the

3159
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:52,719
fall of the temple this is where

3160
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:55,679
josephus comes into the picture this is

3161
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:57,840
on the side you can see they're carrying

3162
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,080
off the temple treasures

3163
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:03,360
in the uh there was a revolt

3164
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:06,400
in judea started in 66 a

3165
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:09,760
uh a.d 66 or 66 ce

3166
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:12,000
vespasian was the general who was sent

3167
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:12,880
to

3168
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:18,719
two sons that were with him on this uh

3169
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:19,599
well titus was

3170
01:52:23,990 --> 01:52:21,280
like his main lieutenant on this

3171
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,000
military operation titus

3172
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:25,920
that you just mentioned possibly being

3173
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,760
killed by his brother domitian

3174
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,599
but this is the arch of titus so

3175
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:31,599
vespasian

3176
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:35,199
um went there and was putting down the

3177
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:36,800
revolt josephus was

3178
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:38,960
by his own admission a member of the

3179
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:40,719
revolt in fact a leader

3180
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:44,560
of the revolt in fact a son of a priest

3181
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:48,239
of the priestly lineage of the temple

3182
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:51,679
and very you know us

3183
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:58,709
surrendered to vespasian and we can go

3184
01:53:00,870 --> 01:53:00,000
into that story but since we only have

3185
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:00,880
10 minutes

3186
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:04,880
um this is not this is not unknown

3187
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,920
history you can

3188
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,840
look all this up the people were writing

3189
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:09,360
about this in the 1800s

3190
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,920
i have leaned heavily on the work of

3191
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:13,520
flavio barbiero

3192
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:15,280
i do not agree with every single thing

3193
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:17,760
that flavio barbaro has to say but he

3194
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:18,719
has

3195
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:20,800
tons of evidence to argue for what

3196
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,000
josephus did

3197
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:23,599
and that's what we're primarily talking

3198
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,719
about here barbara treats moses as if

3199
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:28,560
moses is a historical figure

3200
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:31,360
i believe moses is a constellation but i

3201
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:32,560
can show you that moses is a

3202
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:34,000
constellation i can show you that john

3203
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,440
the baptist is a constellation i can

3204
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:37,520
show you that jesus is a constellation

3205
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,280
series of constellations but the uh

3206
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,360
the the temple was ransacked nobody

3207
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:45,199
denies that and it was burned to the

3208
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,760
ground

3209
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:47,760
but the treasures were taken out we can

3210
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,440
see it right here on the arch of titus

3211
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,800
that's very important

3212
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,320
piece of evidence that's vespasian

3213
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,560
that's the father of the

3214
01:53:58,070 --> 01:53:56,320
well hold on hold on because you're just

3215
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:58,080
you're just to think about i've already

3216
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:59,520
said this a bunch of times so people

3217
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:01,199
might get tired of it

3218
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:03,199
this is like a really key point that you

3219
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,880
are making

3220
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:07,360
is that yeah they sacked the city yeah

3221
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:08,800
they burned it down

3222
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:11,840
and yeah they took all the loot and

3223
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:15,360
this is what i got from dave brody who

3224
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:18,719
uh i told you wrote the book america and

3225
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:21,840
he traces this thing happening again 60

3226
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,800
years later

3227
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:24,560
when the ninth legion is called in to

3228
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:26,159
put down the next revolt

3229
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,520
in judea in 130 and they walk away with

3230
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:30,639
a ton of loot

3231
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:33,119
and the the better reading i think of

3232
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:34,320
this story

3233
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,159
is that josephus knew where the gold was

3234
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:39,760
because you think about it you're under

3235
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,639
siege for 90 days you're a military guy

3236
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:44,159
do you do you just sit there and say

3237
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:47,199
okay leave all the gold right there

3238
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:48,880
out in the open if they get through that

3239
01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:50,239
door they get all the gold

3240
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:52,080
hell no you're going to bury it right

3241
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:53,599
that's people have done throughout time

3242
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:53,920
you

3243
01:55:03,669 --> 01:54:59,920
still digging for the buried gold

3244
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:03,679
they buried it the jews buried it

3245
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:06,480
and josephus said i'll tell you what he

3246
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:06,960
did

3247
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:09,679
the story again it's so miserably stupid

3248
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:11,440
to say that the reason that

3249
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:13,760
vespasian put him in the townhouse gave

3250
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,199
him gave free passage to 200 of his uh

3251
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,440
best friends and had him write all the

3252
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:21,119
history was because he did

3253
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:24,080
a prophecy of you know he did a fortune

3254
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:25,199
telling for him

3255
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:27,840
what nonsense what he did was he said

3256
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,920
i'll lead you to the gold i know where

3257
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:32,560
the gold is at and nobody else does

3258
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,880
well and that's why i was saying look

3259
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:36,800
josephus was very high up

3260
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:39,920
in the hierarchy and

3261
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:43,599
this is what flavio barbaro argues uh

3262
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,639
you know in the 1800s 1700s

3263
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:48,480
there have been scholars who said

3264
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:51,119
josephus was the biggest traitor

3265
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,560
of all time now there are modern

3266
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,639
scholars who are pushing back against

3267
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,760
that but

3268
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,280
um i think they're probably trying to

3269
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:59,040
cover up what josephus did because this

3270
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:59,599
is

3271
01:56:03,350 --> 01:56:01,119
the points you're making are all

3272
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:03,360
absolutely

3273
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:05,199
uh supported by the evidence and i'll

3274
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:06,320
show you some of the evidence and i

3275
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:07,679
talked about the evidence

3276
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:09,440
in this book and also in the undying

3277
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:11,520
stars which was 2014 but here's this

3278
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,159
basin

3279
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:14,880
so as you mentioned so he was the

3280
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:16,000
general who was

3281
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:20,000
he lived from 9 ce to 79 ce he led that

3282
01:56:23,910 --> 01:56:20,800
first

3283
01:56:25,109 --> 01:56:23,920
campaign to put down and then the

3284
01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:25,119
rebellion and then

3285
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:28,400
titus his son so he he became emperor

3286
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:29,040
after

3287
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:32,320
the the the temple was sacked in ad70

3288
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:33,360
very important

3289
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:37,119
to just know that date here's titus

3290
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:40,800
he lived from 39 to 81

3291
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:44,000
he was the one who basically you know

3292
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,599
they said how come this rebellion has

3293
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:47,360
we've put them down with vespasian's

3294
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:48,080
army

3295
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:49,679
how come they won't give up you know

3296
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:51,440
what i think we're gonna

3297
01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:54,400
uh besiege the temple and then they'll

3298
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:55,199
give up

3299
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:56,719
you know if they see that we're you know

3300
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:59,360
we got we've got the military machine of

3301
01:57:01,510 --> 01:56:59,840
rome

3302
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,520
camped outside the temple you're not

3303
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:03,119
getting out and if

3304
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,880
if you don't give up we'll burn it down

3305
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:06,719
do you want to give up well apparently

3306
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:08,080
the answer was no

3307
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:14,390
josephus had already surrendered to

3308
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:17,280
vespasian and gone back to rome

3309
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:20,159
and and then he came back with titus

3310
01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:20,560
this

3311
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:23,920
uh josephus and titus are about the same

3312
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:25,440
age

3313
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:27,440
here's josephus i put his name upside

3314
01:57:30,310 --> 01:57:28,639
down he's a

3315
01:57:31,990 --> 01:57:30,320
he's a traitor he's like a benedict

3316
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,000
arnold to his people

3317
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:34,080
he lived from 37 to 100. so you can see

3318
01:57:37,109 --> 01:57:35,840
that he and titus are basically the same

3319
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:37,119
age

3320
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:40,320
he and titus so he surrendered

3321
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,320
he has this big story in his accounts

3322
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:44,480
where while we were all surrounded at

3323
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:47,520
joe tapata or yod pot

3324
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:50,880
um we were surrounded by the romans but

3325
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:52,159
we didn't want to give up so we decided

3326
01:57:53,830 --> 01:57:53,520
we would all commit suicide so we would

3327
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:53,840
each

3328
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:56,080
kill one another we'd draw our swords

3329
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:57,599
and we would just pair up and

3330
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:59,599
kill each other we draw lots to see who

3331
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,880
would go first

3332
01:58:04,470 --> 01:58:02,560
and then everyone killed each other

3333
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:04,480
except for me and my guy we decided not

3334
01:58:08,070 --> 01:58:05,760
to kill each other

3335
01:58:09,270 --> 01:58:08,080
and because i had a vision that

3336
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:09,280
vespasian was going to become the

3337
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:09,840
emperor

3338
01:58:13,030 --> 01:58:11,679
and i came out and i told him you know

3339
01:58:14,470 --> 01:58:13,040
i've been told

3340
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:14,480
our scriptures actually say that you're

3341
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:16,960
going to be the emperor and uh

3342
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:19,679
and so therefore vespasian then

3343
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:22,800
eventually becomes the emperor and

3344
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,880
loves josephus so much for telling him

3345
01:58:29,830 --> 01:58:27,280
that that he as you said gives him his

3346
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:29,840
old villa that he used to live in gives

3347
01:58:31,750 --> 01:58:30,320
him an

3348
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,760
annuity for the rest of his life a

3349
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:33,360
stipend he'll get paid for the rest of

3350
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:33,760
his life

3351
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:35,920
he won't have to pay taxes he gets to

3352
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:36,800
take on the name

3353
01:58:43,030 --> 01:58:40,800
titus flavius he becomes a freedman

3354
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:43,040
well as you've argued in it just a

3355
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:44,239
minute ago and as other people have

3356
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:45,280
argued

3357
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:46,560
there's got to be more to the story

3358
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:47,920
titus knew where the treasure was

3359
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:48,800
vespasian

3360
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:50,800
these emperors were these generals were

3361
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,159
always

3362
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,800
having to keep their troops fed and paid

3363
01:58:57,350 --> 01:58:56,400
if they wanted them to keep fighting for

3364
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,360
them

3365
01:59:00,709 --> 01:59:00,080
in order to take over the empire which

3366
01:59:03,430 --> 01:59:00,719
is what vespa

3367
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:03,440
and especially vespasian right vespasian

3368
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:04,560
was kind of the

3369
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:07,280
soldiers general he kind of knew he

3370
01:59:09,830 --> 01:59:08,239
understood the

3371
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:09,840
psychology of the soldier in that way

3372
01:59:13,910 --> 01:59:11,280
right so there's

3373
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:13,920
absolutely he was he was these guys were

3374
01:59:18,149 --> 01:59:14,880
competent

3375
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:18,159
military leaders and he he used that

3376
01:59:23,589 --> 01:59:21,440
he was running out of money in egypt

3377
01:59:24,550 --> 01:59:23,599
in campaigns in egypt and anyway the the

3378
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:24,560
theory is that he

3379
01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:28,000
used so titus and

3380
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:31,199
josephus during that siege the the

3381
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:33,199
treasure had been buried

3382
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:35,760
in various hiding places and josephus

3383
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:37,760
and titus

3384
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:41,040
dug it out and and that's how vespasian

3385
01:59:44,709 --> 01:59:41,840
was able to

3386
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:44,719
pay the troops to continue to stay loyal

3387
01:59:47,830 --> 01:59:46,320
to him long enough to march on rome and

3388
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:47,840
take over and defeat all the other

3389
01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:49,199
challengers to be the emperor because

3390
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:51,040
i'll show you it was tumultuous times

3391
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:53,040
no no that's that's hugely significant

3392
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:54,239
and and i know that

3393
01:59:57,350 --> 01:59:56,560
there's no way we're rushing that's what

3394
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:57,360
hold on

3395
02:00:01,430 --> 01:59:58,560
because there's a couple of points there

3396
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:01,440
that i think are super significant

3397
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,599
one is always kind of react to this idea

3398
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:05,440
that uh josephus was

3399
02:00:11,589 --> 02:00:08,639
a traitor to his people um

3400
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:11,599
sure yeah i mean he's i bet that's kind

3401
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:12,320
of

3402
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:14,880
undeniable and that he's jewish and he's

3403
02:00:18,629 --> 02:00:15,840
this kind of elitist

3404
02:00:19,750 --> 02:00:18,639
jewish guy but the the other thing that

3405
02:00:21,030 --> 02:00:19,760
you said i can even

3406
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:21,040
edit that out because that's stupid it

3407
02:00:24,550 --> 02:00:22,560
doesn't matter the other thing that you

3408
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:24,560
said i think is super important

3409
02:00:28,310 --> 02:00:27,440
is what he writes because to me this is

3410
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:28,320
the beginning

3411
02:00:37,189 --> 02:00:33,920
the social engineering in action

3412
02:00:39,589 --> 02:00:37,199
he writes that hey you know what

3413
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:39,599
not just the prophecy that just that

3414
02:00:44,149 --> 02:00:40,960
vespasian is going to be

3415
02:00:47,109 --> 02:00:44,159
emperor he says the people

3416
02:00:48,870 --> 02:00:47,119
of judea and he's speaking of them as if

3417
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:48,880
he's not one of them one of the reasons

3418
02:00:52,229 --> 02:00:49,760
they were so

3419
02:00:54,550 --> 02:00:52,239
mad at the romans was they thought that

3420
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:54,560
the romans went against this prophecy

3421
02:00:58,790 --> 02:00:57,040
that someone from their own soil would

3422
02:01:01,350 --> 02:00:58,800
rise up to be the leader

3423
02:01:02,950 --> 02:01:01,360
and they said you know what they kind of

3424
02:01:04,870 --> 02:01:02,960
misread it a little bit

3425
02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:04,880
and i should know because i'm a super

3426
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:07,280
jew like you said i'm elitist i've gone

3427
02:01:11,109 --> 02:01:08,080
to the temple

3428
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:11,119
and know the law and i now

3429
02:01:14,830 --> 02:01:13,920
see what the law really said and the law

3430
02:01:18,950 --> 02:01:14,840
said

3431
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:18,960
vespasian is our messiah

3432
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:20,800
the jewish messiah and the reason this

3433
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:22,239
is so important is

3434
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:24,080
from and you can say well that's a

3435
02:01:26,149 --> 02:01:25,840
failed thing it never worked out that

3436
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:26,159
way

3437
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,320
but what they were trying to do and this

3438
02:01:33,030 --> 02:01:30,400
goes back once we said two hours ago

3439
02:01:33,910 --> 02:01:33,040
in my opinion not all these things work

3440
02:01:36,629 --> 02:01:33,920
i think this is

3441
02:01:38,629 --> 02:01:36,639
a failed psyop they said hey let's try

3442
02:01:39,990 --> 02:01:38,639
this maybe we can get the jews to kind

3443
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:40,000
of

3444
02:01:43,990 --> 02:01:43,199
come over to our side if we can convince

3445
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:44,000
them that

3446
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:46,560
their messiah is really vespasian and

3447
02:01:49,030 --> 02:01:48,320
the jews don't really respond to that

3448
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:49,040
because there's

3449
02:01:53,589 --> 02:01:52,000
all these other in the bible there's all

3450
02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:53,599
these prophecies that would have to be

3451
02:01:56,870 --> 02:01:56,080
met for that to happen but still it was

3452
02:01:58,390 --> 02:01:56,880
an attempt

3453
02:02:00,470 --> 02:01:58,400
to do that and i think that's

3454
02:02:02,390 --> 02:02:00,480
significant particularly

3455
02:02:03,910 --> 02:02:02,400
as you go on in the story in terms of

3456
02:02:04,950 --> 02:02:03,920
how it plays out because they keep

3457
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:04,960
trying to play

3458
02:02:08,390 --> 02:02:07,280
this social engineering game first do

3459
02:02:10,870 --> 02:02:08,400
you have any

3460
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:10,880
any thoughts on that yeah certainly it's

3461
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:12,000
you know it's more than a

3462
02:02:15,510 --> 02:02:13,280
it's certainly more than a 10 minute

3463
02:02:18,149 --> 02:02:15,520
conversation but i don't actually

3464
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:18,159
so you know joe atwell i've read his

3465
02:02:20,950 --> 02:02:18,560
book

3466
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:20,960
you know several times and i heard him

3467
02:02:24,310 --> 02:02:22,159
speak and that is not

3468
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:24,320
well everything i just said has nothing

3469
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:25,599
to do with that well okay

3470
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:28,320
but so i don't believe that um the

3471
02:02:31,510 --> 02:02:29,280
josephus

3472
02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:31,520
you know wrote the gospels i think these

3473
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:32,800
were ancient

3474
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:36,239
stories that were updated because

3475
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:38,560
four of them if if you want to pause and

3476
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:39,599
i don't think we should

3477
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:41,840
i will but i already sent you the exact

3478
02:02:47,189 --> 02:02:44,000
quote from war of the jews

3479
02:02:48,870 --> 02:02:47,199
where josephus says yeah

3480
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:48,880
no no no those are good points those are

3481
02:02:50,790 --> 02:02:50,400
those are good points what i'm saying is

3482
02:02:56,790 --> 02:02:50,800
that

3483
02:02:58,709 --> 02:02:56,800
possibility what you're saying

3484
02:03:00,310 --> 02:02:58,719
i'm not arguing with that i'm just i'm

3485
02:03:01,669 --> 02:03:00,320
trying to clarify that i don't think

3486
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:01,679
that the gospels

3487
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:05,440
if if i don't think that the stories of

3488
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:06,560
the new testament

3489
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:08,159
see i'm not going there we're just going

3490
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:09,520
to cloud the water we're just going to

3491
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:11,199
cloud the water with it fair enough

3492
02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:13,440
because i'll just leave that aside okay

3493
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:14,960
i i think my point

3494
02:03:20,229 --> 02:03:18,080
actually aligns perfectly

3495
02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:20,239
with what you're going to say about the

3496
02:03:25,910 --> 02:03:22,159
mithra solovicus

3497
02:03:29,350 --> 02:03:25,920
is that you know here here is a pattern

3498
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:29,360
of we can do this let's try this

3499
02:03:35,669 --> 02:03:32,400
let's try so it's like a first attempt

3500
02:03:37,830 --> 02:03:35,679
at you know it's let's try global

3501
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:37,840
warming global warming doesn't work oh

3502
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:38,560
this

3503
02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:40,320
pandemic thing let's see if we can get

3504
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:42,239
that to get to our new world order kind

3505
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,880
of thing

3506
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:45,520
this is the first attempt but when you

3507
02:03:55,030 --> 02:03:46,080
say

3508
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:55,040
thing has happened here

3509
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:57,119
you guys just kind of slightly misread

3510
02:04:02,149 --> 02:03:58,320
the prophecy

3511
02:04:04,709 --> 02:04:02,159
little part in here

3512
02:04:06,069 --> 02:04:04,719
what josephus writes is like look you

3513
02:04:08,069 --> 02:04:06,079
guys weren't stupid

3514
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:08,079
you understood the prophecy but what you

3515
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:10,000
didn't get is that little part where

3516
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:13,119
it said jewish soil and

3517
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:16,800
on our soil well it turns out

3518
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:19,679
quirk of quirk of history the spaces was

3519
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:20,400
named

3520
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:23,920
emperor when he was in judea so that

3521
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:26,400
actually fulfills the prophecy

3522
02:04:29,830 --> 02:04:29,440
when a guy is spinning it that hard to

3523
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:29,840
me

3524
02:04:34,709 --> 02:04:32,320
that can't that's not accidental it's an

3525
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:34,719
attempt to really

3526
02:04:37,990 --> 02:04:36,239
you know yeah so we're not we're

3527
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:38,000
actually not disagreeing so i i jumped

3528
02:04:42,149 --> 02:04:40,400
in with just a cautionary that you know

3529
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:42,159
i like joel atwill but i don't agree

3530
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:43,440
with all of his things because sometimes

3531
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:44,800
that could come in but

3532
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:46,960
that absolutely josephus is the most

3533
02:04:51,430 --> 02:04:48,560
unreliable

3534
02:04:52,229 --> 02:04:51,440
source and yet he's relied on as well we

3535
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:52,239
have this

3536
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:55,520
here's our sources for you know for the

3537
02:04:58,629 --> 02:04:57,199
dead sea scroll era

3538
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,639
well we've got the dead sea scrolls now

3539
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:00,560
but before that all we had was josephus

3540
02:05:05,030 --> 02:05:03,280
in the new testament and i'm saying you

3541
02:05:06,470 --> 02:05:05,040
can't use either of those as history

3542
02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:06,480
because basically they're both based on

3543
02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:08,239
the stars i can show you that

3544
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:09,920
when josephus was writing about this or

3545
02:05:13,510 --> 02:05:12,159
that battle he's using the same system

3546
02:05:14,069 --> 02:05:13,520
he's talking about well they were

3547
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:14,079
speared

3548
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:16,239
like fish well that's funny here's a

3549
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:18,480
passage in the odyssey where

3550
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:20,719
odysseus's men were speared like fish i

3551
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:22,560
mean josephus was well

3552
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:25,760
read in ancient literature and he was

3553
02:05:30,229 --> 02:05:27,840
well read in ancient

3554
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:30,239
in this ancient wisdom system i believe

3555
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:30,880
and he

3556
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,280
absolutely and so two things on that and

3557
02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:35,280
then i'm gonna try to make it quick too

3558
02:05:41,030 --> 02:05:39,440
but one is a total propaganda agent

3559
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:41,040
totally agree with you and the point

3560
02:05:44,629 --> 02:05:42,880
that you made i think is so significant

3561
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:44,639
is to say

3562
02:05:48,149 --> 02:05:46,800
we can't put these things on parallel

3563
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:48,159
and say that they're all

3564
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:50,400
equal and again that's it gets back to

3565
02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:51,360
this point about

3566
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:53,360
how his history is so corrupt and then

3567
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:55,199
you jumped in there and made

3568
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:56,800
the important point that maybe

3569
02:06:00,629 --> 02:05:58,480
intentionally so but

3570
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:00,639
to think that josephus once he's been

3571
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:02,800
discredited as fully as he has it's

3572
02:06:06,069 --> 02:06:04,960
clearly just a propaganda agent and then

3573
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:06,079
they go back to him

3574
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:09,360
time and time again to use him logically

3575
02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:12,400
there must be something else uh

3576
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,560
going on here that's right because he's

3577
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:16,400
part of a conspiracy that's still going

3578
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:16,639
on

3579
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:18,960
is what i would say that i would say

3580
02:06:21,990 --> 02:06:20,400
he's part of a conspiracy that's still

3581
02:06:23,430 --> 02:06:22,000
going on and here's some evidence for

3582
02:06:24,149 --> 02:06:23,440
that let me go back to sharon because

3583
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:24,159
we're

3584
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:27,760
you know you said you wanted to finish

3585
02:06:31,430 --> 02:06:29,599
finish up and let me let me share with

3586
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:31,440
some evidence that shows

3587
02:06:35,270 --> 02:06:33,280
that this conspiracy is still going on

3588
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,280
everybody probably knows where this is

3589
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:37,840
this is qumran wadi qumran this is the

3590
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:38,719
famous cave

3591
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:41,199
four where the vast majority of the dead

3592
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:42,560
sea scrolls are found the dead sea

3593
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:43,520
scrolls

3594
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:47,119
found in the 1940s the

3595
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:50,480
you know fragments of over 900 texts

3596
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:53,199
manuscripts and in thousands of pieces

3597
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:54,719
like jigsaw puzzles

3598
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:58,000
discovered in the 40s and then given

3599
02:07:02,229 --> 02:06:58,880
into the hands of an

3600
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:02,239
international group of scholars who were

3601
02:07:11,189 --> 02:07:06,719
almost entirely as you may know

3602
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:11,199
uh high up in the roman catholic

3603
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,239
priesthood okay roland davao

3604
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,360
was the the head of this international

3605
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:19,119
dead sea scrolls committee and then his

3606
02:07:24,790 --> 02:07:21,199
lieutenant was jt millick

3607
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:24,800
and um they kept the dead sea scrolls

3608
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,360
basically under wraps for their entire

3609
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:29,360
lives they didn't let anyone

3610
02:07:35,109 --> 02:07:32,400
see anything but

3611
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:35,119
the manuscripts that were translations

3612
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:36,159
of

3613
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:38,480
biblical old testament texts this was

3614
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:40,000
these are all

3615
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:42,560
um old testament this is a this is part

3616
02:07:45,350 --> 02:07:43,840
of judaism or

3617
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:45,360
not even we shouldn't say judaism

3618
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:46,880
because that's a later development this

3619
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:48,560
is part of

3620
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:51,280
jewish different esoteric communities

3621
02:07:55,589 --> 02:07:52,800
and studies that were going

3622
02:07:56,470 --> 02:07:55,599
that were all over uh the place not just

3623
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:56,480
in judea

3624
02:08:01,830 --> 02:08:00,159
there were lots of jewish scholars in

3625
02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:01,840
egypt there were lots of jewish scholars

3626
02:08:04,229 --> 02:08:02,639
in

3627
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:04,239
what we call that's the whole hold on

3628
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:05,520
hold on because i have to put an

3629
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:06,719
exclamation point

3630
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,320
on something you just said because it's

3631
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:10,159
so freaking significant

3632
02:08:13,750 --> 02:08:11,840
and i think the the you know we have a

3633
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,760
problem in talking

3634
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:15,679
for a long time because there's so much

3635
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:17,840
to process i'm trying to go fast i'm not

3636
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:19,760
no you're doing it you're doing so great

3637
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:21,119
you're doing so great i mean

3638
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:22,639
the only point i was just going to make

3639
02:08:28,629 --> 02:08:24,880
is that last point you made

3640
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,639
is so freaking significant because to me

3641
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,639
you say it slight and slightly different

3642
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:32,560
language like it's still going on today

3643
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:33,760
and i think that kind of

3644
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,560
freaks people out how could that be but

3645
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:38,719
it's still going on today because

3646
02:08:42,390 --> 02:08:40,320
if you talk to the average person they

3647
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:42,400
go oh yeah the dead sea scrolls

3648
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,119
oh yeah they kind of uh in some ways

3649
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,520
they support christianity

3650
02:08:50,629 --> 02:08:49,360
that's right they kind of support

3651
02:08:53,830 --> 02:08:50,639
christianity but

3652
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:53,840
it also kind of introduces some you know

3653
02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:56,079
possible contradictions and stuff like

3654
02:08:59,430 --> 02:08:57,040
that

3655
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:59,440
but what they did which is to me another

3656
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:00,079
play

3657
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:04,960
corner stall and basketball right

3658
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:08,639
so they completely they do come out

3659
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:10,960
the the right and to understand the

3660
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:13,760
subtlety of it to me

3661
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,800
is to begin to understand the mechanism

3662
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:18,800
of control again if we ever get back to

3663
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:20,159
it i mean that's what they figured out

3664
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:21,599
way back

3665
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:23,360
the romans figured that out really early

3666
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:25,599
is you know just control all the little

3667
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:28,719
stupid bureaucracies control the dmv

3668
02:09:31,830 --> 02:09:30,400
and the water department just get your

3669
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:31,840
tentacles and all that stuff and

3670
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:34,400
you'll have a lot of benefit so the the

3671
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:35,520
way they do it here

3672
02:09:39,030 --> 02:09:37,199
is they get the dead sea scrolls they go

3673
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:39,040
amazing discovery

3674
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:43,760
corner stall for 50 years

3675
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,520
and by the time it eventually comes out

3676
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:47,199
and people are going wait a minute

3677
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:49,520
this says something completely different

3678
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:50,719
because it does come out

3679
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:53,040
eventually and then so for anyone who

3680
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:54,400
complains and says

3681
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:56,800
well it says yo well they did this well

3682
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:58,320
then they point to and go wait a minute

3683
02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:00,000
we released it all

3684
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:02,480
and it's it's so subtle it's so subtle i

3685
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:04,000
guess is my point

3686
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:07,280
yeah it is really it is the story so you

3687
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:07,599
can

3688
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:10,639
there's a actually a great podcast by

3689
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:12,400
someone named gary stevens called

3690
02:10:15,990 --> 02:10:14,000
history in the bible and he

3691
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:16,000
goes through this whole scandal of the

3692
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:18,239
dead sea scrolls in episode 18 of his

3693
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,040
podcast

3694
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:21,280
and you can listen to that and you can

3695
02:10:25,750 --> 02:10:22,480
it wasn't just

3696
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:25,760
this committee they had help

3697
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:28,800
and so the

3698
02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:30,000
they released the parts that were

3699
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:31,840
already you know books of the bible that

3700
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:33,280
we've seen

3701
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:35,760
that was like 20 and they kept

3702
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:37,840
everything else under wraps and it was

3703
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,880
it was because of some micro film kind

3704
02:10:44,709 --> 02:10:42,480
of photographs of them that they finally

3705
02:10:47,990 --> 02:10:44,719
came out and the work of people like

3706
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:48,000
um oh i'm forgetting i'm blanking on his

3707
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:48,719
name but

3708
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:52,880
it's a big long drama soap opera

3709
02:10:55,990 --> 02:10:55,199
finally in the 80s and 90s all these

3710
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:56,000
pieces finally

3711
02:10:59,270 --> 02:10:57,440
are coming out and they show something

3712
02:11:01,030 --> 02:10:59,280
very different than the

3713
02:11:02,790 --> 02:11:01,040
kind of story that this group that

3714
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:02,800
wanted to keep them under wraps

3715
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:04,159
wanted to say that they were but they

3716
02:11:11,189 --> 02:11:06,560
did release let me show

3717
02:11:16,149 --> 02:11:14,310
most of the scrolls are on leather or on

3718
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:16,159
vellum which is made from leather or

3719
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:18,400
some on papyrus but there's one scroll

3720
02:11:22,310 --> 02:11:19,760
known as the

3721
02:11:23,669 --> 02:11:22,320
copper the copper scroll and you see it

3722
02:11:25,109 --> 02:11:23,679
on the right hand side of your screen it

3723
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:25,119
looks very different than

3724
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:27,920
the written scroll the copper scroll it

3725
02:11:32,709 --> 02:11:28,800
was

3726
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:32,719
old that they had to cut it in part and

3727
02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:33,599
so that's why these

3728
02:11:36,950 --> 02:11:35,840
pieces now look kind of like like a half

3729
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:36,960
of a tube

3730
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:39,920
what is the copper scroll it's basically

3731
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:40,719
a list

3732
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:47,360
this is how it reads this is the first

3733
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,960
words of the copper scroll not the part

3734
02:11:52,950 --> 02:11:50,400
that i'm showing by the way that's like

3735
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:52,960
piece number 18 but on piece one it says

3736
02:11:56,790 --> 02:11:55,599
in the ruin that's in the valley of acor

3737
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:56,800
under the steps

3738
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:58,560
with the entrance at the east so you go

3739
02:12:01,430 --> 02:12:00,639
to the ruins find the entrance that's on

3740
02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:01,440
the east

3741
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:04,000
then under the steps a distance of 40

3742
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:04,800
cubits

3743
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:08,400
a strong box of silver and its vessels

3744
02:12:12,709 --> 02:12:11,520
with a weight of 17 talents which by the

3745
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:12,719
way a talent

3746
02:12:16,069 --> 02:12:15,119
at that time new testament talent or

3747
02:12:19,030 --> 02:12:16,079
that period talent

3748
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:19,040
129 pounds so that's 129 pounds of

3749
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,000
silver

3750
02:12:25,109 --> 02:12:23,040
times 17 that's a lot

3751
02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:25,119
that's just one this thing just goes

3752
02:12:28,149 --> 02:12:26,800
over and over

3753
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:28,159
here's where you find this treasure and

3754
02:12:30,870 --> 02:12:29,679
here's what's there here's where we find

3755
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:30,880
it is

3756
02:12:40,950 --> 02:12:37,360
jewels etc well on the

3757
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:40,960
on that panel of experts there was one

3758
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:43,520
there was one uh maverick named john

3759
02:12:45,669 --> 02:12:45,040
allegro most people have heard of john

3760
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:45,679
allegra

3761
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:46,880
you've probably heard of john alegre he

3762
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:49,119
wrote the sacred mushroom in the cross

3763
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:52,000
in in the early 70s that oh it's all

3764
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:53,360
about

3765
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:55,679
mushrooms you know psychedelic mushrooms

3766
02:12:59,830 --> 02:12:57,199
he was actually pushing

3767
02:13:00,790 --> 02:12:59,840
for the publication of the scrolls he

3768
02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:00,800
was he was the

3769
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:03,280
one maverick who was pushing he actually

3770
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:04,480
said this is a treasure map

3771
02:13:08,870 --> 02:13:05,920
i'm gonna go search for it he never

3772
02:13:11,589 --> 02:13:08,880
found any of the treasure why not

3773
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:11,599
well so how is this like how does

3774
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:13,520
wikipedia tell you what does wikipedia

3775
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:14,639
tell you about the copper

3776
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:17,760
scrolls or what what did those the the

3777
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:21,280
what did um jt millick tell you the

3778
02:13:24,790 --> 02:13:22,159
copper scroll was

3779
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,800
oh it's just a child's exercise book for

3780
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:26,000
learning writing

3781
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:28,000
oh is that what they really say that's

3782
02:13:32,709 --> 02:13:31,119
one of the things that they said i mean

3783
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:32,719
you know the essenes could have never

3784
02:13:35,750 --> 02:13:34,239
had any of this treasure of course they

3785
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:35,760
were this ascetic community which

3786
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:37,360
you know they were in a set of community

3787
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:39,119
who says all these scrolls belong to the

3788
02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:40,320
essenes

3789
02:13:46,629 --> 02:13:44,239
you see the this was probably the

3790
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:46,639
trove the library of the temple so that

3791
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:48,320
the romans don't burn it down and the

3792
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:50,159
treasure of the temple so the romans

3793
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:51,599
don't get it

3794
02:13:55,669 --> 02:13:54,159
and someone knew oh by the way at the

3795
02:13:57,990 --> 02:13:55,679
end of the copper scroll it says

3796
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:58,000
this is a copy this is a copy you know

3797
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:59,119
we put it on this

3798
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,400
they don't say it but why would you put

3799
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:02,400
it on copper so it can't burn

3800
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:04,639
so look this treasure is important we

3801
02:14:07,189 --> 02:14:05,760
don't want to lose it

3802
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:07,199
we're going to put we're going to put

3803
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:09,040
the treasure map or the treasure

3804
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:11,199
instructions it's not really a map

3805
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:13,199
on something that can't be destroyed

3806
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:15,119
copper and

3807
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:16,719
this will be the backup copy well who

3808
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:18,800
had the who had the other copy

3809
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:20,960
i bet you josephus knew how to find it

3810
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:22,079
and that's why

3811
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:24,480
this patient and titus got all the loot

3812
02:14:30,550 --> 02:14:26,719
and were managed to become emperors

3813
02:14:34,790 --> 02:14:30,560
and that's the evidence

3814
02:14:36,629 --> 02:14:34,800
is is pretty overwhelming that

3815
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,639
i mean joe as you said josephus didn't

3816
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:38,320
get all those things because

3817
02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:40,480
you know he said i think you're going to

3818
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:42,239
become the emperor okay thanks a lot cut

3819
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:42,960
off his head

3820
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:44,560
he said i know where the treasure is

3821
02:14:47,510 --> 02:14:45,840
buried please don't cut off my head

3822
02:14:48,629 --> 02:14:47,520
because you won't get any of it

3823
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:48,639
the other thing you're adding to the

3824
02:14:55,589 --> 02:14:52,320
story that's really significant is

3825
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:55,599
there's this incredible chaos in rome

3826
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:58,159
and who will become emperor is really up

3827
02:15:02,709 --> 02:14:59,520
for grabs

3828
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:02,719
and what you're adding to the story is

3829
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:05,440
one guy comes for and goes you know i

3830
02:15:09,510 --> 02:15:07,199
think i should be emperor

3831
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:09,520
and i got tons and tons of gold and

3832
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:11,440
silver that agrees with me

3833
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:13,760
and he does and he walks in the arch of

3834
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:15,520
titus and he builds the colosseum he

3835
02:15:19,589 --> 02:15:17,040
does all that

3836
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:19,599
kind of makes for a good story it makes

3837
02:15:24,149 --> 02:15:21,840
for a good story and

3838
02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:24,159
money he doesn't get there by greasing

3839
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:25,599
people's palms he gets there by

3840
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:27,360
having an army he's got the muscle

3841
02:15:30,149 --> 02:15:28,800
behind him and he didn't really pay the

3842
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:30,159
muscle with that money

3843
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:31,840
good that means that money is used to

3844
02:15:36,069 --> 02:15:33,679
buy the mercenaries

3845
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:36,079
because he takes it he kind of takes his

3846
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:36,719
time

3847
02:15:40,950 --> 02:15:38,960
and again the way conventional history

3848
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:40,960
writes it it's stupid it doesn't make

3849
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:42,000
any sense

3850
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:45,199
why he's kind of in the running or

3851
02:15:49,189 --> 02:15:47,599
or elected emperor but then he takes his

3852
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:49,199
time he goes and gets the stuff together

3853
02:15:52,629 --> 02:15:50,800
he goes and gets his army together he's

3854
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:52,639
like okay you know here's how it's going

3855
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:54,239
to work

3856
02:15:58,310 --> 02:15:57,199
the the whole thing i mean and then so

3857
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:58,320
then comes the

3858
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:01,520
takeover by the

3859
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:04,719
soul invictus mithras

3860
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,440
acting in conjunction with literalist

3861
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:09,040
christianity it's like a pincher

3862
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:10,000
movement they're not

3863
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:12,320
enemies they're two sides of the same

3864
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:13,760
operation

3865
02:16:17,990 --> 02:16:16,560
well we got to tell people as quickly as

3866
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:18,000
we can and we did i think we're doing as

3867
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:20,000
good as we can on the time but

3868
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:23,280
this soul invictus because

3869
02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:26,880
it's a classic secret society just a

3870
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:28,239
classic secret society

3871
02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:29,920
and you've already tied it to the

3872
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:32,160
murders that it commits but

3873
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:35,679
it's just it's evil it's like an evil

3874
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:38,160
secret society that we would you know

3875
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:39,679
understand in in

3876
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:42,719
modern times well

3877
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:44,800
you know that's interesting um you know

3878
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:46,000
we've talked a lot about evil

3879
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:49,280
and um

3880
02:16:55,190 --> 02:16:52,639
i would say it is a hierarchical

3881
02:16:57,110 --> 02:16:55,200
and so so here's why it's not a religion

3882
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:57,120
it's usually posited as a rival to

3883
02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:58,000
christianity

3884
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:59,920
that their mithraea are scattered all

3885
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:01,040
over europe

3886
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:03,760
in significant places a lot around rome

3887
02:17:07,030 --> 02:17:04,080
or

3888
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:07,040
a lot in austria in antiqua which you

3889
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:08,000
can visit today

3890
02:17:12,070 --> 02:17:10,639
and explain what amithrae is yeah so

3891
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:12,080
it's a small

3892
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:14,800
meeting clubhouse basically and it

3893
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:15,519
always has

3894
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:19,280
this scene when you enter that's on the

3895
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:19,679
far

3896
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:22,399
wall and then it's got benches arranged

3897
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:23,040
in a u

3898
02:17:26,549 --> 02:17:25,040
and i diagram in the book and lots of

3899
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:26,559
you can read about this lots of scholars

3900
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:28,160
have talked about it

3901
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:30,399
but once again the history of

3902
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:32,639
scholarship of mithraism is again

3903
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:37,760
rife with obscuration obfuscation

3904
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:39,840
wrong leads there was someone who said

3905
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:41,359
in the 1860s

3906
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:44,160
the right answer and he was ignored and

3907
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:45,840
then finally in the early 70s some

3908
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:48,479
scholars came up with

3909
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:49,840
the right answer but i wouldn't say it's

3910
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:52,160
evil what i would say well okay the the

3911
02:17:54,709 --> 02:17:53,920
goals of the operation were to take over

3912
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:54,719
the

3913
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:57,280
roman empire and to impose feudalism and

3914
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:58,000
impose

3915
02:18:01,589 --> 02:18:01,120
literalist christianity and and all

3916
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:01,599
kinds of

3917
02:18:07,270 --> 02:18:04,719
evil things were done but

3918
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:07,280
the let's say the low ranking members

3919
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:08,960
you could be a member of one of these

3920
02:18:14,709 --> 02:18:11,359
lodges and they could only seat

3921
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:14,719
like 10 to 15 to 20 people the size of

3922
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:15,040
these

3923
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:17,120
it's basically like a dining room kind

3924
02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:18,319
of a setup

3925
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:21,359
okay and only like 15 to 20 men

3926
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:23,040
it was exclusively for men it was like a

3927
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:26,000
dining club you'd go in there

3928
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:28,080
and it was very hierarchical it had

3929
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:29,280
seven ranks

3930
02:18:32,950 --> 02:18:32,160
at the so you could keep people kind of

3931
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:32,960
in the dark

3932
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:34,719
in the lower ranks it was only in the

3933
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:36,399
higher ranks where

3934
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:39,840
it was a perfect it's a structure for

3935
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:42,479
secrecy and taking over so if you let

3936
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:44,240
someone in you can observe them at the

3937
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:45,439
lower ranks and decide

3938
02:18:48,230 --> 02:18:46,880
hey should we let this guy to the fourth

3939
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:48,240
rank where we start giving him some

3940
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:48,800
secrets

3941
02:18:51,990 --> 02:18:51,200
or not as you point out in the book

3942
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:52,000
there's some people

3943
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,160
that actually make it to the level of

3944
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:56,639
emperor for a brief period of time

3945
02:19:00,309 --> 02:18:58,960
and they're only level three that's

3946
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:00,319
right that's right

3947
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:03,760
so imagine imagine how how compromised

3948
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:05,280
your position is

3949
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:08,319
when you know that there's

3950
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,240
all this that these are the guys who are

3951
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,399
basically calling all the shots

3952
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:14,399
but you're in the position of emperor

3953
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:16,080
and you're only a level three

3954
02:19:19,830 --> 02:19:17,920
you know your days are numbered or you

3955
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:19,840
know better yet you know you better

3956
02:19:24,309 --> 02:19:21,679
march to what they say

3957
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:24,319
right and in in history and flavio

3958
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:25,120
barbiero

3959
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:26,719
kind of points this out over and over

3960
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:28,880
that history is full of

3961
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,960
and then that emperor was removed you

3962
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:32,319
know assassinated

3963
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:35,679
and he said look he he tried to cross

3964
02:19:38,950 --> 02:19:37,519
soul invictus because now he thought he

3965
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:38,960
thinks oh i'm the emperor i can do what

3966
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:40,080
i want i'm gonna start

3967
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:41,519
throwing my weight around and they're

3968
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:43,760
like okay get rid of him

3969
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:46,719
because these mithria pop up the first

3970
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:47,040
one

3971
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:49,120
is in the is in the vicinity of the

3972
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:50,640
praetorian guard which is like the

3973
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:52,720
emperor's bodyguard

3974
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:56,800
and they quickly

3975
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:58,240
let me just interject since we're

3976
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:00,399
throwing in a ton of stuff

3977
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:03,840
vespasian was one of the first ones to

3978
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:05,359
really clue into

3979
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:08,560
how important it was to

3980
02:20:15,150 --> 02:20:11,680
really keep the praetorian guard close

3981
02:20:17,190 --> 02:20:15,160
because he had seen in previous

3982
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,200
destabilizations that you know that

3983
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:18,960
would be the easiest way it'd be like

3984
02:20:22,790 --> 02:20:19,520
the

3985
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:22,800
or somebody like that you know as close

3986
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:23,680
to the president i mean

3987
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:25,200
if they wanted to they could take out

3988
02:20:30,389 --> 02:20:27,520
the president and so he kind of saw

3989
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:30,399
right am i right about that well so part

3990
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:31,359
of the theory

3991
02:20:38,150 --> 02:20:35,280
is that um he wouldn't

3992
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:38,160
he wouldn't use romans in the praetorian

3993
02:20:41,590 --> 02:20:39,280
guard he would use

3994
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:41,600
people who had a debt to him like did

3995
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:43,359
josephus owe vespasian

3996
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:46,399
yeah joseph has owed vespasian his life

3997
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:49,600
right those other look

3998
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:51,120
the the people who are leading the

3999
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:52,880
rebellion were warriors

4000
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:56,000
they were fighters they were hard rebels

4001
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:58,080
and vespasian said josephus you can

4002
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:59,200
bring over

4003
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:01,359
you know some of your friends some of

4004
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:03,200
those friends could be installed in the

4005
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:04,960
praetorian guard because now

4006
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,800
they are loyal to vespasian whereas if

4007
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:08,960
you bring someone in who grew up in rome

4008
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:11,359
who knows who that guy's loyal to he

4009
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:13,040
might be working for a different faction

4010
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:15,040
but these guys these are my guys

4011
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,160
i'm going to put them in charge of the

4012
02:21:20,950 --> 02:21:18,080
praetorian guard so you're right but i'm

4013
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:20,960
not alleging that vespasian was actually

4014
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:22,800
the first sole invictus emperor

4015
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:25,359
according to

4016
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:28,160
barbaro's theory was commodus it was

4017
02:21:31,510 --> 02:21:29,040
communist they

4018
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,520
and marcus aurelius his father was

4019
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,200
trying to figure out what was going on

4020
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:35,280
who is trying to take over the empire

4021
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:38,720
and marcus aurelius was persecuting

4022
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,080
not soul invictus but the christians

4023
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:44,479
so it was like a two-pronged approach

4024
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:46,479
soul invictus was this underground

4025
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:49,040
they met in these underground or they

4026
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:50,160
were made to look like they were

4027
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:51,520
underground

4028
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:53,359
secret meeting places where it's very

4029
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:55,120
small in number it was not

4030
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:58,880
a big congregation of 50 or 100 or 500

4031
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,319
people it's very small

4032
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:02,880
and it was that's the planning that's

4033
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:04,399
the secret part

4034
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:07,359
and the heat shield that draws the anger

4035
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:08,640
when the emperors are trying to figure

4036
02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:10,720
out who is taking over the empire

4037
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:13,120
they persecute the christians they're

4038
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:14,960
like these christians

4039
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,800
are trying to stir things up but they

4040
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:18,479
never got to the nerve center which was

4041
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:19,120
this

4042
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:21,600
underground society of soul invictus

4043
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:23,280
okay i'll tell you what as we try and

4044
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:24,080
wrap this up

4045
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:26,080
you've got to tell this this is a no

4046
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:27,840
it's all the great stuff i i so

4047
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:29,439
appreciate you spending all this time

4048
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:30,000
and

4049
02:22:33,830 --> 02:22:31,600
like i said we'll have to find a way to

4050
02:22:36,309 --> 02:22:33,840
do it again maybe in a more

4051
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:36,319
more organized focused way or maybe not

4052
02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:38,160
i don't know maybe this is good

4053
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:41,200
but the whole story of the

4054
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:45,359
the mithra that lasts 60 years

4055
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,479
after constantine builds his church

4056
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:50,960
if this isn't the clincher it's a good

4057
02:22:55,910 --> 02:22:52,720
way to end it because it's like

4058
02:22:59,270 --> 02:22:55,920
if you have any doubt about how fake

4059
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:59,280
this you know establishment of

4060
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:01,680
christianity literalist christianity

4061
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:02,720
christianity

4062
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:06,319
is it by constantine in the roman empire

4063
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:06,720
this

4064
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:10,080
seals it he just seals it

4065
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:13,200
so yeah so let me show you so i just

4066
02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:14,399
argued that there are two sides of the

4067
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:16,240
same coin that's actually barbaro's

4068
02:23:19,349 --> 02:23:16,720
phrase

4069
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:19,359
flavio barbiero wrote an uh wrote an

4070
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,399
essay called

4071
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:22,880
mithras in christianity or mithraism and

4072
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:25,040
christianity two sides of the same coin

4073
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,680
they are operating together and yet

4074
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:29,680
history continues to tell you can still

4075
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,479
find

4076
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:32,800
history books recent ones talking about

4077
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:33,520
mithraism

4078
02:23:37,910 --> 02:23:36,080
oh it was the rival to christianity it

4079
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:37,920
almost took over the empire

4080
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:39,920
you know if if only more people had

4081
02:23:44,309 --> 02:23:42,319
joined in with mithraism we'd all be

4082
02:23:45,990 --> 02:23:44,319
mithras today instead of christians no

4083
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:46,000
it was a it was a

4084
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:49,120
it was the underground arm um it was a

4085
02:23:53,910 --> 02:23:50,399
secret society

4086
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:53,920
it had blood curdling

4087
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:57,359
oaths of secrecy if you betray what's

4088
02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:59,280
going on inside of this

4089
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:01,439
meeting you will be killed why because

4090
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:03,040
their lives were on the line if they got

4091
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:03,600
caught

4092
02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:05,359
with what they were trying to pull off

4093
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:06,800
the romans would have

4094
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:09,280
completely had no mercy for them so this

4095
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:09,920
was a

4096
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:13,120
v it was structured in a way to keep it

4097
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:13,680
secret

4098
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:16,080
to prevent infiltration and it

4099
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:17,040
apparently

4100
02:24:22,389 --> 02:24:20,880
was very effective and it is so

4101
02:24:24,630 --> 02:24:22,399
we'll end on that point that you make

4102
02:24:25,510 --> 02:24:24,640
these are two sides of the same

4103
02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:25,520
operation but

4104
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:28,000
let's just look really quickly i think i

4105
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:29,439
have

4106
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:32,720
why yes there it is a constellation

4107
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:36,000
this is so for a hundred years

4108
02:24:39,590 --> 02:24:39,200
there's the scholarship of mithraism has

4109
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:39,600
said

4110
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:42,560
oh this came you know this is based on

4111
02:24:45,910 --> 02:24:43,840
uh

4112
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:45,920
there's this scholar named kumont and i

4113
02:24:50,550 --> 02:24:48,000
go into all the uh

4114
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:50,560
the history but in the 70s a bunch of

4115
02:24:53,270 --> 02:24:51,920
scholars said this this whole thing that

4116
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:53,280
we're being told about the origins of

4117
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:54,399
mithraism are wrong

4118
02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:56,560
it looks like it's based on the stars

4119
02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:58,240
and david ulansi

4120
02:25:01,910 --> 02:25:00,800
wrote a really good book that argues

4121
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:01,920
that mithra

4122
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:03,840
slaying the bull is based on the

4123
02:25:08,150 --> 02:25:06,160
outlines of

4124
02:25:10,230 --> 02:25:08,160
the constellation pursues which you can

4125
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,240
see right here this is pursues

4126
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,880
i'm showing this as a segue into two

4127
02:25:16,389 --> 02:25:15,120
sides of the same coin because

4128
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:16,399
remember we're not told that

4129
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:18,800
christianity is based on the stars

4130
02:25:24,070 --> 02:25:22,319
mithraism can be shown to be based on

4131
02:25:25,590 --> 02:25:24,080
so can christian or so can the stories

4132
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:25,600
in the bible let me just say

4133
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:27,520
stories in the bible i'm separating that

4134
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:29,359
from what we think of as literal as

4135
02:25:34,870 --> 02:25:31,520
christianity

4136
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:34,880
so mithraism is consciously using this

4137
02:25:39,110 --> 02:25:36,640
ancient system

4138
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:39,120
while it destroys the rest of the

4139
02:25:42,389 --> 02:25:40,640
ancient system for everybody else it

4140
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:42,399
destroys

4141
02:25:47,349 --> 02:25:45,439
the ancient wisdom of the gods and

4142
02:25:48,710 --> 02:25:47,359
goddesses that were given to the romans

4143
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:48,720
given to the greeks given to the

4144
02:25:51,670 --> 02:25:49,439
egyptians

4145
02:25:53,349 --> 02:25:51,680
and imposes literalist christianity and

4146
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:53,359
yet it's using

4147
02:25:56,710 --> 02:25:55,920
this ancient system here's why mithras

4148
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:56,720
is

4149
02:26:00,309 --> 02:25:59,040
um killing the bull there's purse use

4150
02:26:01,750 --> 02:26:00,319
there's taurus

4151
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:01,760
i could show you all the connections

4152
02:26:06,309 --> 02:26:04,160
between these two the

4153
02:26:07,670 --> 02:26:06,319
david ulansi wrote a book in 1989

4154
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:07,680
showing these connections and he's

4155
02:26:11,190 --> 02:26:09,359
absolutely right and this is all

4156
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:11,200
there's the zodiac right there this is

4157
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:13,359
all the ancient system

4158
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:16,479
so now i'll stop sharing and just tell

4159
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:19,280
that story to finish off

4160
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:23,760
the the the underground

4161
02:26:30,630 --> 02:26:27,439
cult or secret society of mithras

4162
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:30,640
the public facing inclusive you know hey

4163
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:33,280
we let everybody in

4164
02:26:37,830 --> 02:26:36,080
literalist christianity we're operating

4165
02:26:40,550 --> 02:26:37,840
together

4166
02:26:41,990 --> 02:26:40,560
they're both using this ancient wisdom

4167
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:42,000
is based on the stars

4168
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:44,000
but literalist christianity won't admit

4169
02:26:46,630 --> 02:26:45,200
that they won't say

4170
02:26:47,590 --> 02:26:46,640
oh yeah all our stories are based on the

4171
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:47,600
stars they're telling you have to

4172
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:50,080
believe in it as if it's literal

4173
02:26:56,710 --> 02:26:53,200
so the the the seven ranks

4174
02:26:59,910 --> 02:26:56,720
of mithraism

4175
02:27:03,270 --> 02:26:59,920
they they go um

4176
02:27:10,230 --> 02:27:06,870
raven nymph soldier lion

4177
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:10,240
um sun runner persian

4178
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:12,000
i may have that backwards persian sun

4179
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:13,359
runner and then

4180
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:16,640
father potter in latin potter is the top

4181
02:27:21,429 --> 02:27:17,280
of the

4182
02:27:22,070 --> 02:27:21,439
patter the head of each lodge is the

4183
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:22,080
pater

4184
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,200
and then there's people who are at the

4185
02:27:27,429 --> 02:27:25,359
lowest level you know they're

4186
02:27:29,110 --> 02:27:27,439
they're just a raven or then they become

4187
02:27:31,429 --> 02:27:29,120
a nymph which means a bridegroom

4188
02:27:32,710 --> 02:27:31,439
basically and then they become a soldier

4189
02:27:34,150 --> 02:27:32,720
and they probably don't get past that

4190
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:34,160
level unless they're really trustworthy

4191
02:27:38,950 --> 02:27:35,600
then they become a lion

4192
02:27:41,990 --> 02:27:38,960
a leo a persian a sun runner

4193
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:42,000
only that you know only they're super

4194
02:27:44,790 --> 02:27:43,359
trustworthy because this is a secret

4195
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:44,800
society that's trying to take over the

4196
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:46,640
roman empire

4197
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:49,439
the pater is the head of that lodge but

4198
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:51,040
all the lodges

4199
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:54,240
are headed by a mithraim that's

4200
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:56,319
in a place called the phrygianum and

4201
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:57,439
it's in rome

4202
02:28:00,630 --> 02:27:59,600
and the head of that lodge is called the

4203
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:00,640
pater

4204
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:04,160
patrum the father of

4205
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:06,720
fathers he's not just the father of a

4206
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:08,399
lodge he's also the father of all the

4207
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:09,040
fathers of

4208
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:10,319
the other lodges he's the father of

4209
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:12,640
fathers and the phrygianum

4210
02:28:16,870 --> 02:28:16,000
is located beneath saint peter's

4211
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:16,880
basilica

4212
02:28:22,790 --> 02:28:20,000
to this day st peter you know where the

4213
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:22,800
bishop of rome has his headquarters is

4214
02:28:27,429 --> 02:28:24,479
built right on top of

4215
02:28:29,429 --> 02:28:27,439
where the phrygianum the head the the

4216
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:29,439
head lodge of mithraism

4217
02:28:34,389 --> 02:28:32,560
and as you've alluded to but hold on

4218
02:28:36,270 --> 02:28:34,399
because we were told we've been told all

4219
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:36,280
along that that's a kind of

4220
02:28:41,270 --> 02:28:39,200
representation of how christianity

4221
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:41,280
defeated and just kind of rubbed it in

4222
02:28:45,429 --> 02:28:42,720
their face that

4223
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:45,439
were on top of mithraism right yeah they

4224
02:28:50,150 --> 02:28:46,240
were enemies

4225
02:28:53,429 --> 02:28:50,160
but um when you look at the dates of the

4226
02:28:55,030 --> 02:28:53,439
the death of the last father of fathers

4227
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:55,040
of mithraism before they finally said

4228
02:28:59,429 --> 02:28:56,800
okay let's shut down mithraism

4229
02:29:00,389 --> 02:28:59,439
we've got the empire it's done it's done

4230
02:29:03,110 --> 02:29:00,399
its purpose let's put

4231
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:03,120
let's put it on ice we can we can bring

4232
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:04,640
that terminator back out whenever we

4233
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,760
need it right

4234
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:07,680
put it in the freezer and we'll bring it

4235
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:09,439
out again later to weaponize it if

4236
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:10,560
necessary

4237
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:13,600
but the last potter patron

4238
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:22,389
was operating in the phrygianum

4239
02:29:29,670 --> 02:29:26,240
after the first historical pope

4240
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:29,680
for 60 years not 62 years

4241
02:29:38,469 --> 02:29:37,030
they shut down mithraism and so their co

4242
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:38,479
their headquarters were in the same

4243
02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:40,399
basic building

4244
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:43,120
for 62 years operating completely

4245
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:44,640
peacefully together

4246
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:47,120
and then and constantine was always in

4247
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,760
the deal

4248
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:49,680
constantine from the beginning he never

4249
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:50,880
gave up

4250
02:29:55,110 --> 02:29:52,880
his what do you think leveled what do

4251
02:29:58,630 --> 02:29:55,120
you think level constantine was at

4252
02:30:00,790 --> 02:29:58,640
well so so um so what happened was

4253
02:30:01,910 --> 02:30:00,800
but but just the the final kind of or

4254
02:30:04,790 --> 02:30:01,920
there's a few

4255
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:04,800
points to show look the pope the name

4256
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:06,960
pope is the bishop of rome that is a

4257
02:30:11,349 --> 02:30:08,560
contraction of the words

4258
02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:11,359
pater potram so he basically took over

4259
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:12,160
the title

4260
02:30:17,190 --> 02:30:15,040
of the head of mithraism and fabio

4261
02:30:18,950 --> 02:30:17,200
barbaro says he actually uses the same

4262
02:30:20,790 --> 02:30:18,960
chair as the head of the

4263
02:30:22,790 --> 02:30:20,800
of mithra and that has meth things

4264
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:22,800
carved on it and the

4265
02:30:26,550 --> 02:30:24,479
you know the hat that a pope wears or

4266
02:30:29,830 --> 02:30:26,560
the headgear of a pope is called a what

4267
02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:29,840
a bishop's do you know mitre

4268
02:30:33,670 --> 02:30:32,160
mit re a bishop's mitre which is

4269
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:33,680
basically linguistically

4270
02:30:40,469 --> 02:30:36,720
related to the word mithraism so it

4271
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:40,479
the the symbols of mithraism survive in

4272
02:30:44,150 --> 02:30:41,680
literalist christianity because they

4273
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:44,160
were two sides of the same operation it

4274
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:44,640
is not

4275
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:47,520
um so just really quickly the the this

4276
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:48,479
is

4277
02:30:52,389 --> 02:30:51,600
connection of the myths and the stars

4278
02:30:53,830 --> 02:30:52,399
you asked about

4279
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:53,840
you know where does constantine fit into

4280
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:55,840
all this let me just show this

4281
02:31:00,469 --> 02:30:58,880
uh so there's

4282
02:31:02,070 --> 02:31:00,479
the year of four emperors that kind of

4283
02:31:05,349 --> 02:31:02,080
chaos that vespasian

4284
02:31:07,030 --> 02:31:05,359
and his line was able to capitalize on

4285
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:07,040
and become the emperor is way up there

4286
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:07,520
in

4287
02:31:12,830 --> 02:31:10,479
68 69 and then vespasian becomes emperor

4288
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:12,840
in 69

4289
02:31:18,630 --> 02:31:16,240
the the this operation

4290
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:18,640
is carefully working behind the scenes

4291
02:31:21,349 --> 02:31:20,640
we see kind of the first mithraya start

4292
02:31:24,790 --> 02:31:21,359
to pop up

4293
02:31:27,830 --> 02:31:24,800
towards the end of the first century i.e

4294
02:31:29,110 --> 02:31:27,840
in the 80s and 90s in the time of the

4295
02:31:30,389 --> 02:31:29,120
mission right around the praetorian

4296
02:31:32,630 --> 02:31:30,399
guard as we mentioned

4297
02:31:33,590 --> 02:31:32,640
and it is working in the background in

4298
02:31:35,910 --> 02:31:33,600
building and

4299
02:31:38,230 --> 02:31:35,920
and building its stepping stones and

4300
02:31:39,429 --> 02:31:38,240
marcus aurelius i put him in

4301
02:31:42,150 --> 02:31:39,439
capital letters because i think that's

4302
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:42,160
an important turning point because he

4303
02:31:45,190 --> 02:31:43,600
seems to have realized something was

4304
02:31:47,990 --> 02:31:45,200
going on

4305
02:31:49,190 --> 02:31:48,000
he's called one of the last um edward

4306
02:31:51,349 --> 02:31:49,200
gibbons you know in his big

4307
02:31:52,230 --> 02:31:51,359
1700s book decline and fall of roman

4308
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:52,240
empire calls

4309
02:31:55,270 --> 02:31:54,000
marcus aurelius the last of the five

4310
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:55,280
good emperors

4311
02:32:00,070 --> 02:31:58,319
nerva trajan hadrian antoninus and

4312
02:32:01,910 --> 02:32:00,080
marcus aurelius you can see marcus

4313
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:01,920
aurelius and varus were at the same time

4314
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:02,960
but aurelius

4315
02:32:06,870 --> 02:32:05,359
outlived him um he was considered a very

4316
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:06,880
good emperor he was

4317
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:09,359
a philosopher we know he's a stoic he

4318
02:32:13,670 --> 02:32:11,520
wrote you know his meditations

4319
02:32:15,110 --> 02:32:13,680
that you can still read today they're

4320
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:15,120
excellent to read

4321
02:32:19,910 --> 02:32:19,120
his son commodus barbiero argues was the

4322
02:32:22,830 --> 02:32:19,920
first

4323
02:32:26,150 --> 02:32:22,840
time soul invictus was able to maneuver

4324
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:26,160
a sole invictus emperor into

4325
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:29,280
the role of emperor

4326
02:32:32,550 --> 02:32:31,680
and they put to keep an eye on him his

4327
02:32:36,389 --> 02:32:32,560
wife

4328
02:32:40,309 --> 02:32:36,399
or his concubine marsha was a christian

4329
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:40,319
so um and she may have conspired you

4330
02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:42,399
know commodus was was it was murdered by

4331
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:44,000
the head of the praetorian guard

4332
02:32:47,910 --> 02:32:46,240
uh in conjunction i think with marsha

4333
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:47,920
when he got too cra i mean he was crazy

4334
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:48,399
he was

4335
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:52,960
like joaquin phoenix shows

4336
02:32:58,630 --> 02:32:56,000
in that movie um so this

4337
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:58,640
battle is going on the senate is not

4338
02:33:01,429 --> 02:32:59,600
happy with

4339
02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:01,439
roman empire being taken over so there's

4340
02:33:04,870 --> 02:33:03,280
a battle between they don't want the old

4341
02:33:05,590 --> 02:33:04,880
gods to be shut down they don't want

4342
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:05,600
their

4343
02:33:09,590 --> 02:33:08,720
gig to be folded up and closed down and

4344
02:33:13,110 --> 02:33:09,600
so there's a

4345
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:13,120
pull pulling a push the first

4346
02:33:17,190 --> 02:33:16,319
actual literalist christian who says i'm

4347
02:33:21,670 --> 02:33:17,200
a christian

4348
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:21,680
was down there philip 1 down in 244 249

4349
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:23,120
there and he called philip the arab

4350
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:24,240
because he was born in

4351
02:33:31,830 --> 02:33:28,160
what's today syria um he was a general

4352
02:33:35,750 --> 02:33:31,840
gallianus was also uh galianis

4353
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:35,760
was also a may have may have had some

4354
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:37,680
christian leanings but

4355
02:33:41,110 --> 02:33:39,120
then you had this thing come in called

4356
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:41,120
the tetrarchy so these emperors are

4357
02:33:45,110 --> 02:33:42,399
getting you can see they're getting

4358
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:45,120
eliminated often very quickly after they

4359
02:33:49,349 --> 02:33:46,240
get put into power

4360
02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:49,359
if they mess up or if if

4361
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:51,280
the secret society decides that we need

4362
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:52,720
to move him out

4363
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:55,920
the tetrarchy was this system that was

4364
02:33:59,910 --> 02:33:58,160
set up by four emperors that said look

4365
02:34:02,150 --> 02:33:59,920
let's let's the four of us basically

4366
02:34:03,830 --> 02:34:02,160
become two presidents and two co

4367
02:34:05,429 --> 02:34:03,840
two vice presidents or two emperors and

4368
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:05,439
two because because they saw the gig

4369
02:34:09,110 --> 02:34:07,280
they saw what was going on and they said

4370
02:34:11,830 --> 02:34:09,120
maybe that way they can't assassinate me

4371
02:34:13,030 --> 02:34:11,840
yeah yeah exactly i mean which is super

4372
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:13,040
super important i mean

4373
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:14,960
the whole reason they did it was it

4374
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,960
would be like

4375
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:18,720
i mean does this again folks does this

4376
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:20,800
play to modern times

4377
02:34:25,270 --> 02:34:23,040
it's like how do we how do we it seems

4378
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:25,280
impossible to stop this

4379
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:27,200
machine that we're in the big uh in the

4380
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,200
middle of if you believe the kind of

4381
02:34:32,309 --> 02:34:30,960
i mean the new world order stuff is so

4382
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:32,319
in your face right now i don't know how

4383
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:33,680
anyone can deny it

4384
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:36,720
but if you were if you believed that and

4385
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:39,200
you were going to try and derail it

4386
02:34:42,710 --> 02:34:41,040
how would you derail it it seems even

4387
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:42,720
possible to set up well that's what

4388
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:44,080
these guys said like look it's

4389
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:45,600
impossible to derail it

4390
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:48,240
maybe we can split it up maybe they have

4391
02:34:50,469 --> 02:34:49,760
some kind of right i mean is that kind

4392
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:50,479
of a parallel

4393
02:34:54,870 --> 02:34:53,120
yeah they basically it's a terrible

4394
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:54,880
governing structure you wouldn't

4395
02:34:59,030 --> 02:34:57,600
right you wouldn't do it for efficiency

4396
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:59,040
you don't say well the best way to run

4397
02:35:01,830 --> 02:35:00,240
the country is they have four presidents

4398
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:01,840
and they can all argue with each other

4399
02:35:05,910 --> 02:35:04,560
no you do it for this way if i'm

4400
02:35:07,590 --> 02:35:05,920
president

4401
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:07,600
i know they can't take me out because i

4402
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:09,600
still got three of my buddies

4403
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:11,840
you know and or even if they're not my

4404
02:35:16,469 --> 02:35:13,280
buddies i still got some

4405
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:16,479
kind of play in the thing actually

4406
02:35:21,270 --> 02:35:17,840
you know you may have heard of may

4407
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:21,280
brussel may brussel actually recommended

4408
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:23,359
the president after the president gets

4409
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:24,800
elected

4410
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:27,520
should only afterwards get to pick the

4411
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:28,560
vice president

4412
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:31,120
that way yeah yeah because basically

4413
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,640
what you have happening is

4414
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:34,720
here's the guy who's behind you know you

4415
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,080
mess up we got

4416
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:38,240
uh we got the vice president right

4417
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:39,760
behind that's the one who's really

4418
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:41,120
most of the time pulling the strings

4419
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,200
right i mean you mentioned reagan

4420
02:35:47,750 --> 02:35:46,000
i'm not sure he was actually pulling the

4421
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:47,760
strings on iran contra but

4422
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:50,000
we'll set that aside so the sole

4423
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,760
invictus said

4424
02:35:55,670 --> 02:35:53,680
the secret society said you know this

4425
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:55,680
tetrarchy is a problem and by the way

4426
02:36:00,309 --> 02:35:57,280
one of the tetrarchs started

4427
02:36:01,429 --> 02:36:00,319
persecuting christians very ferociously

4428
02:36:03,349 --> 02:36:01,439
because they knew

4429
02:36:04,950 --> 02:36:03,359
that this is a tug of war this is a

4430
02:36:07,190 --> 02:36:04,960
major battle the game

4431
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:07,200
is raging it's like game of thrones and

4432
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:08,800
they're like someone is trying to take

4433
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:10,399
over and i think it's those christians

4434
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:10,960
and

4435
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:14,319
one of the tetrarchs was just massacring

4436
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:15,120
christians

4437
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:17,840
right and left and we should interject

4438
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:18,319
that this

4439
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:21,439
is often used by christians

4440
02:36:25,750 --> 02:36:23,840
as a way to kind of smoke screen this

4441
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:25,760
whole thing whether they're doing it

4442
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:29,120
knowingly or not it's like well

4443
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:30,880
of course it was a battle look at how

4444
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:32,880
they're look at how they're going after

4445
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:33,920
the christians

4446
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:36,960
and as you point out one way and then

4447
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:38,319
i'd add to the other thing

4448
02:36:43,030 --> 02:36:41,200
is it doesn't mean that everybody

4449
02:36:45,910 --> 02:36:43,040
there's all these different levels right

4450
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,920
so these people that are in the highest

4451
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:47,040
position

4452
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:50,640
they might not be in to the clued in

4453
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:52,960
to the actual you know they might not

4454
02:36:56,150 --> 02:36:54,479
get the newsletter that hey

4455
02:36:57,670 --> 02:36:56,160
our plan really is to use these

4456
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:57,680
christians you know

4457
02:37:01,830 --> 02:37:01,200
that's in play too right absolutely i

4458
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:01,840
don't think that

4459
02:37:05,910 --> 02:37:04,560
uh not everybody knows exactly what's

4460
02:37:10,389 --> 02:37:05,920
going on

4461
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:10,399
no look the i think i think most people

4462
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:13,439
as i did sign up for the army um out of

4463
02:37:16,950 --> 02:37:14,960
good intentions and then and

4464
02:37:19,110 --> 02:37:16,960
the whole time i was in the army i never

4465
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:19,120
i've never

4466
02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:22,080
glimpsed a single conspiratorial thing

4467
02:37:25,510 --> 02:37:23,040
you know in the

4468
02:37:28,630 --> 02:37:25,520
11 years of active duty in four years at

4469
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:28,640
west point there's people who are in the

4470
02:37:33,349 --> 02:37:30,399
christian church who are absolutely

4471
02:37:35,990 --> 02:37:33,359
sincere and um

4472
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:36,000
and well-meaning i i believe but uh you

4473
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:36,800
know there's

4474
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:38,080
certain people at the top and it doesn't

4475
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:40,880
take that many as as the sole invictus

4476
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:43,439
shows shows yeah they they knew what

4477
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:44,800
they were doing and they did it i think

4478
02:37:48,230 --> 02:37:46,240
they did it pretty effectively and

4479
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:48,240
systematically and

4480
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:50,080
and they had a way of passing it down

4481
02:37:52,550 --> 02:37:51,760
because this took generations as you can

4482
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:52,560
see here

4483
02:37:55,750 --> 02:37:54,399
but so after the tetrarchy they said

4484
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:55,760
we've got a

4485
02:37:59,429 --> 02:37:58,240
constantine came in they said look we're

4486
02:38:01,030 --> 02:37:59,439
going to put in an emperor and he's

4487
02:38:01,750 --> 02:38:01,040
going to declare himself to be openly

4488
02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:01,760
christian

4489
02:38:09,670 --> 02:38:06,640
official

4490
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:09,680
not that it was theodosius who said you

4491
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:11,840
can only be christian constantine said

4492
02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:14,720
christianity is now the official

4493
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:15,760
religion

4494
02:38:19,349 --> 02:38:18,160
and everyone you know can do it without

4495
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:19,359
being persecuted

4496
02:38:24,790 --> 02:38:23,120
and that's when

4497
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:24,800
soul invictus finally starts to shut

4498
02:38:28,870 --> 02:38:27,280
down and fade out of the picture because

4499
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:28,880
they decided well if we've got the

4500
02:38:32,870 --> 02:38:30,800
emperor and we've now we've got

4501
02:38:34,870 --> 02:38:32,880
literalist christianity in the driver's

4502
02:38:36,870 --> 02:38:34,880
seat then we don't need

4503
02:38:38,870 --> 02:38:36,880
to operate in the secret part anymore

4504
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:38,880
we'll just operate through the

4505
02:38:45,429 --> 02:38:42,720
public part the the literalist christian

4506
02:38:47,030 --> 02:38:45,439
mechanisms and so you mentioned you know

4507
02:38:48,630 --> 02:38:47,040
how do christians kind of spin this

4508
02:38:50,070 --> 02:38:48,640
like how is it that christianity which

4509
02:38:52,469 --> 02:38:50,080
was never a very

4510
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:52,479
large percentage of the empire

4511
02:38:55,190 --> 02:38:53,680
constantine decides

4512
02:38:57,349 --> 02:38:55,200
i'm a christian and let's make

4513
02:39:00,309 --> 02:38:57,359
christianity did he have a

4514
02:39:01,830 --> 02:39:00,319
legitimate conversion and this was the

4515
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:01,840
hand of god

4516
02:39:05,910 --> 02:39:03,600
or was it a some people say oh it was a

4517
02:39:08,950 --> 02:39:05,920
cynical move he was doing it for power

4518
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:08,960
and control you know to to to cement

4519
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:10,240
control over the emperor

4520
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:12,000
the empire and flavio barbiero says

4521
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:13,280
that's ridiculous

4522
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:16,319
no more than at the most 20 of the

4523
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:17,280
population

4524
02:39:21,429 --> 02:39:19,040
was christian in the empire at

4525
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:21,439
constantine's time there's no

4526
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:23,120
it wouldn't make any sense for him to do

4527
02:39:28,150 --> 02:39:25,600
that for political purposes

4528
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:28,160
it didn't gain him anything it was it

4529
02:39:32,389 --> 02:39:28,880
was

4530
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:32,399
this this long

4531
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:35,600
careful operation said okay

4532
02:39:38,950 --> 02:39:37,280
here's how we're gonna here's the

4533
02:39:40,550 --> 02:39:38,960
tetrarchy really screwed things up

4534
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:40,560
here's what we need to do we need to

4535
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:42,000
come out of the shadows and make

4536
02:39:46,230 --> 02:39:44,160
christianity

4537
02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:46,240
the advisor to the emperor and by the

4538
02:39:50,309 --> 02:39:48,000
way let's move the emperor

4539
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:50,319
right on out of rome which they had

4540
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,720
already moved the emperor out of rome

4541
02:39:55,830 --> 02:39:54,960
earlier within italy to ravina or

4542
02:39:58,469 --> 02:39:55,840
ravenna

4543
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:58,479
but where did constantine move the the

4544
02:40:02,389 --> 02:39:59,040
head of

4545
02:40:05,670 --> 02:40:02,399
where does the emperor go constantinople

4546
02:40:08,710 --> 02:40:05,680
where does the church stay rome

4547
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:08,720
right so now we don't have pesky

4548
02:40:11,590 --> 02:40:09,600
emperors

4549
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:11,600
marching you know we don't have game of

4550
02:40:17,110 --> 02:40:13,600
thrones happening in rome anymore

4551
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:17,120
it's like the church can

4552
02:40:21,030 --> 02:40:19,520
the church takes rome and says emperor

4553
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:21,040
you go off over there

4554
02:40:25,349 --> 02:40:23,600
into turkey and any game of thrones

4555
02:40:27,510 --> 02:40:25,359
activity will happen over there

4556
02:40:29,110 --> 02:40:27,520
thank you very much and theodosius

4557
02:40:29,990 --> 02:40:29,120
basically after him the emperor split in

4558
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:30,000
half

4559
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:32,000
and and they shut down the empire as you

4560
02:40:37,349 --> 02:40:34,160
said it's much more

4561
02:40:39,349 --> 02:40:37,359
uh what happened after that is it's much

4562
02:40:42,309 --> 02:40:39,359
easier to govern through the

4563
02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:42,319
through the organ of the church and the

4564
02:40:45,670 --> 02:40:42,640
uh

4565
02:40:49,429 --> 02:40:45,680
that had control over all these fiefdoms

4566
02:40:53,030 --> 02:40:51,910
just like you're saying you combine the

4567
02:40:56,790 --> 02:40:53,040
church

4568
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:56,800
with the empire with the army

4569
02:41:03,429 --> 02:41:00,240
you got it you know you go into

4570
02:41:06,230 --> 02:41:03,439
whatever barbarian quote-unquote

4571
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:06,240
tribe and you say okay you're all

4572
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:08,319
christian now right so we all get along

4573
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:09,600
so listen to me

4574
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,920
and if you step out of line i still got

4575
02:41:17,110 --> 02:41:13,840
the army

4576
02:41:20,070 --> 02:41:17,120
that's right and and um

4577
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:20,080
you know and during the middle ages the

4578
02:41:24,469 --> 02:41:20,640
kings

4579
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:24,479
and the nobles and the aristocrats were

4580
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:26,479
you know basically they they were eating

4581
02:41:29,349 --> 02:41:27,920
all the fat of the land and the people

4582
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:29,359
were on a subsistence

4583
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:33,120
kind of and they were look

4584
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:36,160
yeah the the nobles had more weapons but

4585
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:38,080
still they didn't have they didn't have

4586
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:39,279
more people

4587
02:41:45,269 --> 02:41:42,720
that mind control part of well the

4588
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:45,279
the noble is over you because of god's

4589
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:45,760
will

4590
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:47,680
and yeah you may be able to mass enough

4591
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:49,040
people to

4592
02:41:53,110 --> 02:41:51,359
have a rebellion and and kill him but

4593
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:53,120
then you will burn in hell

4594
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:55,120
forever and here's some of the torments

4595
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:56,160
that will happen to you

4596
02:41:59,429 --> 02:41:58,560
do you really want to risk that oh yeah

4597
02:42:03,110 --> 02:41:59,439
you're right

4598
02:42:05,830 --> 02:42:03,120
risky to try and overthrow him and

4599
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:05,840
certainty of eternal punishment okay you

4600
02:42:11,990 --> 02:42:08,000
know

4601
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,000
it's um it's it was an essential

4602
02:42:15,590 --> 02:42:14,640
part of the oppression that was

4603
02:42:16,950 --> 02:42:15,600
feudalism

4604
02:42:19,269 --> 02:42:16,960
and we're and we're still fighting that

4605
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:19,279
battle today i would i would argue so

4606
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:23,520
anyway we how many hours did we just do

4607
02:42:27,110 --> 02:42:25,680
two hours and 45 minutes but it was

4608
02:42:29,830 --> 02:42:27,120
great i love the way you

4609
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:29,840
uh i love the way you wrapped it up i

4610
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:31,439
think that really kind of brought it

4611
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:34,800
into focus so uh david as we do wrap it

4612
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:35,680
up

4613
02:42:40,070 --> 02:42:39,120
tell folks more about hey and let's go

4614
02:42:43,429 --> 02:42:40,080
here because i haven't gone

4615
02:42:48,510 --> 02:42:43,439
there yet your website star myths

4616
02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:50,389
mythworld.com

4617
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:52,000
and tell folks what they're going to

4618
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:53,680
find there in

4619
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:55,840
particular beyond the amazon books that

4620
02:42:59,590 --> 02:42:57,279
we've already shown them

4621
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:59,600
sure well yeah as you may have seen at

4622
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:00,880
the top there's a books

4623
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:03,200
section where you can see inside the

4624
02:43:05,349 --> 02:43:03,920
books

4625
02:43:07,990 --> 02:43:05,359
you can see that on amazon as well but

4626
02:43:10,469 --> 02:43:08,000
there's also videos section i've made

4627
02:43:11,830 --> 02:43:10,479
you know many dozen videos not all of

4628
02:43:13,030 --> 02:43:11,840
them are up on the website there's a

4629
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:13,040
podcast

4630
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:18,160
and i'll put you know this video in

4631
02:43:23,349 --> 02:43:20,960
there too in the podcast archive

4632
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:23,359
when we're ready and there's a blog

4633
02:43:26,790 --> 02:43:25,120
that's a long running blog that's fully

4634
02:43:28,389 --> 02:43:26,800
searchable so you can go to the blog and

4635
02:43:30,550 --> 02:43:28,399
then you can search for

4636
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:30,560
mithras if you want to see anything i've

4637
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:32,319
written about that or you can

4638
02:43:37,269 --> 02:43:35,600
search for different gods or goddesses

4639
02:43:38,309 --> 02:43:37,279
or different constellations if you're

4640
02:43:41,830 --> 02:43:38,319
interested

4641
02:43:46,469 --> 02:43:41,840
so um you know i mean all that

4642
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:46,479
uh my real focus is on the connection

4643
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:48,240
between the stars and the myths all this

4644
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:50,319
history stuff that's

4645
02:43:54,309 --> 02:43:52,080
you know that's things you can also

4646
02:43:56,550 --> 02:43:54,319
learn from other researchers but

4647
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:56,560
obviously it has a connection something

4648
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:58,000
has been lost

4649
02:44:02,830 --> 02:43:59,680
i think that that story that i just

4650
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:02,840
sketched out is a very

4651
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:06,240
valid explanation of how

4652
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:08,240
this wisdom was lost i think it was lost

4653
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:09,520
twice as i

4654
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:13,200
as i mentioned but i think that the

4655
02:44:18,950 --> 02:44:14,720
suppression of this wisdom

4656
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:18,960
is still going on

4657
02:44:26,389 --> 02:44:25,349
but i don't know why you wouldn't want

4658
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:26,399
to know

4659
02:44:32,150 --> 02:44:28,800
what the bible is really saying i mean

4660
02:44:33,590 --> 02:44:32,160
no matter how much you love the bible

4661
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:33,600
i would think that the people who make

4662
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:35,359
it their full life

4663
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:38,640
would want to know the langu because the

4664
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:40,399
language of the stars

4665
02:44:43,990 --> 02:44:43,359
that is in the bible unlocks the message

4666
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:44,000
unlocks

4667
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:47,279
more profound aspects of the message so

4668
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:48,800
anyway that's what i try and talk about

4669
02:44:53,190 --> 02:44:50,479
in my books and my writings

4670
02:44:53,990 --> 02:44:53,200
and videos well put i really do think

4671
02:44:55,990 --> 02:44:54,000
you brought it

4672
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:56,000
brought it together in a new way i keep

4673
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:57,680
getting stuff it is

4674
02:45:01,030 --> 02:44:59,439
fantastic for you to come and spend all

4675
02:45:02,469 --> 02:45:01,040
this time and your research

4676
02:45:04,550 --> 02:45:02,479
everything i said at the beginning i

4677
02:45:07,110 --> 02:45:04,560
double down on all of it

4678
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:07,120
you know who else has kind of been able

4679
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:09,200
to pull so many pieces together

4680
02:45:15,429 --> 02:45:12,479
and it's just awesome talking to you

4681
02:45:17,590 --> 02:45:15,439
dave matheson thanks again thanks so

4682
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,600
much alex and i'm still learning i still

4683
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:19,920
have lots more to learn

4684
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:21,600
thanks again to david matheson for

4685
02:45:25,269 --> 02:45:23,439
joining me today on skeptica one

4686
02:45:25,910 --> 02:45:25,279
question i'd have to tee up from this

4687
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:25,920
interview

4688
02:45:30,070 --> 02:45:28,960
kind of a litmus test question do you

4689
02:45:32,309 --> 02:45:30,080
think the mafia

4690
02:45:33,510 --> 02:45:32,319
the sicilian mafia the descendants the

4691
02:45:35,429 --> 02:45:33,520
romans

4692
02:45:38,230 --> 02:45:35,439
did they have anything to do with the

4693
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:38,240
assassination of jfk what's your opinion

4694
02:45:42,790 --> 02:45:39,840
the history's almost 60 years old so

4695
02:45:44,389 --> 02:45:42,800
it's okay to talk about it right

4696
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:44,399
love to hear from you let me know on the

4697
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:46,880
skeptical forum or any way you reach me

4698
02:45:50,230 --> 02:45:48,960
plenty of stuff coming up stay with me

4699
02:45:52,580 --> 02:45:50,240
for all of that

4700
02:45:54,830 --> 02:45:52,590
until next time take care and bye for